Bob Rae: Liberal Leadership Ambitions Loom Ahead Of Party's Biennial Convention

Bob Rae Liberal Leadership

First Posted: 01/12/12 06:06 AM ET Updated: 01/12/12 08:15 PM ET

Fears that Bob Rae will use his position as interim Liberal leader to mount a powerful bid for the party's permanent job have materialized, sources in and out of caucus tell The Huffington Post Canada.

“I’m still uncomfortable with what he schemed,” one Liberal, speaking on condition of anonymity, said.

But others suggested the scenario should come as no surprise.

“Anybody who wants to run should run and anybody who believes that Bob was genuinely going to be blocked from running was not taking an honest assessment of the situation,” former Liberal MP Mark Holland said.

MPs and party members first raised concerns nine months ago that if Rae became interim leader he would have an unfair advantage compared to other potential leadership candidates.

The interim leader’s job is a highly visible position and comes with easy access to the media, funds for parliamentary travel to crisscross the country, access to membership and donor lists and a large staff to help with communications and research needs.

Despite Rae's pledge that he will not use the interim position as a springboard to permanent leadership of the party, some Liberals believed Rae’s team would successfully build a narrative suggesting that since their man was doing such an excellent job as leader, he should be given a shot at the real deal and that a consensus would build that he was the Liberals’ best choice.

Now, on the eve of the Liberals' policy convention in Ottawa, the issue threatens to dominate discussions despite having no place on the official agenda.

A fiery speech Rae delivered to his caucus raised eyebrows Wednesday, not only for the passionate attack against the Harper Government but for the staunch defence of his own personal record as Ontario’s former NDP premier vis-a-vis Conservative jabs.

“Every time I show signs of life people say I’m running for the leadership, you know this is going a little far," Rae later told reporters. "This is really my job as interim leader. I was asked to do this job to be vigorous and effective, I’m trying to do that and that’s all I’m going to continue to do."

But, when asked directly, Rae again, refused to rule out a run for Liberal’s top job .

He also suggested that his willingness to leave the door open regarding the permanent leadership is not distracting from the party’s rebuilding efforts.

“I don’t think it is at all, I think the rebuild is going very well,” Rae told reporters at the conclusion of the party’s first winter caucus meetings.

CAN THE LIBERALS SUCCESSFULLY RENEW WITH RAE AT THE HELM PERMANENTLY?

Many Liberals believe Rae should be freed from the agreement he made last May not to use the interim leadership to make a go at the top job, but they are convinced the party can’t be seen to deliver another coronation and that a real race is needed. Others believe Rae will never be able to represent the renewal the party is seeking.

If Rae stayed on it would be divisive for the party, one senior Liberal told HuffPost.

“It creates division, it creates a lack of trust, a credibility problem with this renewal, it creates cynicism, ‘there we go ahead, the same old, same old, backroom, stuff’… It’s not helpful," he said.

If Rae stayed on because no one else ran, that would also be “disastrous” for the party, the Liberal added. “And if he wins through a (normal) process, in the minds of most Canadians he will still be seen as an interim leader no matter what is on the letterhead. He will be seen as transitional ... On the whole question of change, and generational change, it’s hard for Bob to represent that.”

Even some caucus members who’ve done a complete 180-degree turn and now want Rae as permanent leader, acknowledge his continued presence would deliver quite a blow to the Liberals’ message of renewal.

“Yeah that’s the thing, but maybe we are putting too much stock into that (renewal). We wanted leaders with big ideas, we had (Stephane) Dion and (Michael) Ignatieff. You can’t have men with more ideas. But where did that leave us?” one MP confided.

“Even if (Rae) plotted a conspiracy to take the interim thing and hopefully change their minds, even if he did, at the end of the day, you have to go well, he’s still doing a good job,” the Liberal added.

The Liberal Party has gotten itself into jams by spending too much time trying to screw each other over during leadership bids, another caucus member said.

“(Rae’s) already lost the leadership twice … We shouldn’t try to use technical rules to block him,” the Liberal said.

“If Bob decides the conditions are there and he’s has a clear shot at winning, he’ll still have to explain to party members his change of heart.”

Holland, the former MP who was defeated in Ajax-Pickering this May, told HuffPost democracies can’t ban citizens from running from office.

“People have to be allowed to run … That having been said, we need a vigorous leadership process, we need a process that is going to be competitive and is going to be exciting. We can’t afford any type of coronation,” he said.

Holland said he hasn’t yet decided whether he’ll run for the leadership but he acknowledged that Rae would be a formidable opponent.

“Taking on somebody that has been the interim leader for a long period of time and had that institutional advantage is very difficult and it is by no means going to be an easy feat but it is something that must be done and we need good people to come forward," he said.

WILL IT BE A FAIR LEADERSHIP RACE?

It will be difficult for anyone to overcome Rae’s head start, another senior Liberal told HuffPost.

“It’s very difficult to compete with the visibility you get as a party leader. Very difficult for anybody who ultimately declares and runs for this,” the Liberal said.

“Rae might dissuade marginal candidates, but he might also coalesce people who want someone else,” another Liberal said, adding, “Bob is a pretty controversial figure."

Former Liberal leadership contender Gerard Kennedy said Rae deserves the accolades he is receiving but that he'll still face a challenge from some undeclared candidates who are already organizing.

Kennedy refused to name names, although it has been widely speculated that Liberal MP Dominic Leblanc may mount a challenge. Liberal MP David McGuinty and his older brother, Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty, have also had their names bandied about. Kennedy also acknowledged that he hasn’t closed the door on the possibility of running himself.

“There needs to be a fair contest and part of that may be making sure that no one has any particular advantages,” Kennedy said.

Defeated Liberal MP Omar Alghabra urged Rae to declare his intentions sooner rather than later if he intends to run.

“Clearly, I think it would only be fair, once he declares, if he declares that he wants to run for leader, that he would step aside from the interim leadership and run as a candidate for what I hope would be a vibrant and healthy rigorous debate.”

WHO WILL FREE RAE FROM HIS PLEDGE?

Although Rae has refused to categorically deny his interest in the leadership, he has stated it will be up to the new executive to relieve him from his pledge not to run for the permanent job.

Eight new members of the national executive will be chosen this weekend, including a new party president. All the main challengers agree Rae should be allowed to run if he wants to.

Rae told reporters, however, that it would be up to the executive on its own to decide on the policy change, he won't ask them for it.

“I’m not asking anybody to do anything. Let me very clear, I am following the rules, I am doing my job," he said.

Former Montreal MP Alexandra Mendes, a candidate for the presidency of the Liberal Party, told HuffPost she believes Rae would need to ask the executive to free him of his previous commitment.

If she’s elected, she said, she plans to consult with Liberal members on the issue before making a final decision.

Liberal MP Geoff Regan suggested the executive could make whatever decision it wants without waiting for direction from Rae. If a new president brought the issue forward, the executive would be hard pressed not to deal with it, he said.

“I don’t think that if they don’t get a request from Bob that no one there can bring forward (their own) motion,” he said.

Former Liberal cabinet minister Sheila Copps, who is also running for the presidency of the party, said she believes that since there are no officials rules banning him, Rae doesn’t need to ask to be freed from anything.

“The constitution of the Liberal Party says any Liberal can run and the constitution overrules anything else,” Copps said. “I’ve expressed my view, that as a general principle, if the constitution allows Liberals to run, the executive shouldn’t be limiting them.”

The Liberals' three-day biennial convention officially begins Friday.

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11:29 AM on 01/13/2012
Justin Trudeau is the guy to lead liberals back to number one political party in Canada. He has represented youth, environment, foreign matters, and French and English speaking Canadians very well. He speaks from the heart. Since he is also a Quebecor, he will ensure Canada's unity, as well as its liberal values that are respected across the globe.
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opprobrious
More speech. Less Flagging.
10:01 PM on 01/13/2012
Justin Trudeau is not his father, Quebec isn't leaving confederation any time soon and, for all intents and purposes, "Liberal" is a brand with that party and not a guiding principle.
12:30 PM on 01/14/2012
He does not have to be his father. His record stance on various issues speak for him. And another thing - he is young. That is exactly what young Canadian voters want to see - someone who can relate to them.
02:08 AM on 01/14/2012
"Since he is also a Quebecor, he will ensure Canada's unity" by giving them anything they want to buy there lib vote just like Cretien.
12:34 PM on 01/14/2012
That is speculation. NDP was able to dethrone Bloc not because they promised them "anything".
10:49 AM on 01/13/2012
This is an overwrought article. Here's the truth, if you ask the average liberally minded Canadian, Bob Rae is the only viable choice in the party. It's time they looked at who can win and govern, not who deals the best back room politics. And those who say he's schemed, are hypocrits. How do you think their last leader got elected? There wasn't any back room schemes with Ignatieff? Tell those Liberals who are complaining to get over themselves. They're just upset he out maneuvered them.
07:01 AM on 01/13/2012
Be still, my beating heart. Libs potentially asking Dalton to take a run at the leadership??? Come now, don't toy with Ontario voters like that.....
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peter sfikas
Yia sou
03:17 AM on 01/13/2012
Can't wait for Justin to tell the cons; Watch me. Just watch me !
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12:45 AM on 01/13/2012
I trust Rae as far as I could throw him.
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Tyler Austin
Decentralized Commons and PR voted Senate please.
06:52 PM on 01/12/2012
I`d not run for Liberal leader if I didn`t have a metal plate in my back.
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All Seeing Guy
Moooooooooooorrrrrrreeee
03:54 PM on 01/12/2012
"“Even if (Rae) plotted a conspiracy to take the interim thing and hopefully change their minds, even if he did, at the end of the day, you have to go well, he’s still doing a good job,” the Liberal added."

And some actually wonder how the party imploded.
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All Seeing Guy
Moooooooooooorrrrrrreeee
03:47 PM on 01/12/2012
"“I’m still uncomfortable with what he schemed,” one Liberal, speaking on condition of anonymity, said.
"

You better be uncomfortable. You also better be hoping that the sensible and somewhat centrist Mulcair wins the NDP leadership race, in case Rae's ego and Mike "they just didn't like our platform, that's all" Crawley manage to sink this beached ship.
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The picture says it all....
01:36 PM on 01/12/2012
I f Rae gets his way and the party brass are split a new party will evolve as did Reform. It is only a matter of time and the outcome of it will be another eight to twelve years of Conservative rule. Nothing will be recognizable by then . Who knows what the political landscape will be. Maybe we won't even need a new border treaty.
01:06 PM on 01/12/2012
The Libs deserve Boob Rae.
01:41 PM on 01/12/2012
Keeping it classy.
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All Seeing Guy
Moooooooooooorrrrrrreeee
03:55 PM on 01/12/2012
Is Peter Goldring going to come out of hiding and face his constituents at some point?
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
12:29 PM on 01/12/2012
How are the last bunch of liberal leader hopefulls doing?
Have any of them paid off their debts yet?
How many more extentions is Elections Canada going to give to their ideological brethren?
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
12:24 PM on 01/12/2012
Power Corp told Bob he could be leader, so he will be the leader.
The sheeplike liberals will obey their Power Corp masters as they have always done.
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12:42 PM on 01/12/2012
Obey, obey Cretiens song and they did for how many years? Good legacy for Bob.
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11:51 AM on 01/12/2012
Don't do it Rae!
You're doing a good job as interim leader and our party needs new blood. Not a former-NDP long-time establishment politician.... I beg you.
11:20 AM on 01/12/2012
As long as there is an open convention this time no problem.

It seems to me that the one most afraid is Stephen Harper
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11:28 AM on 01/12/2012
Exactly. If Rae were not perceived as a threat the HarperCons would not be flooding this and other sites with so much negative spin. Rae can actually go toe to toe with Harper and they know it.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
12:25 PM on 01/12/2012
Bob is just a figurehead, the liberal party is run by Power Corp.
01:07 PM on 01/12/2012
LOL
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11:06 AM on 01/12/2012
So, here we see how the game will be played. Every single story or mention of the Liberal Party, and the NDP for that matter, will bring out the Harper Conservative Trolls. This is the gameplan, played so well against Ignatieff and Dion. It is a shame that Huffpost Canada, once a fair and admittedly left leaning source of information, has been completely taken over by the Harper 'Information Bureau'. The end result will only be Liberals and Non Conservative voters will simply go to other sources for their news. Along with Sun TV 'News' the right wing can now count Huffpost Canada as their lapdog.
11:15 AM on 01/12/2012
No one will make a sillier post today.

And how can you be fair and be "admittedly Left leaning" at the same time? Fair is completely neutral.
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11:24 AM on 01/12/2012
Thank you for trolling...
11:32 AM on 01/12/2012
Harley makes a fair and balanced observation.
01:08 PM on 01/12/2012
LOL - another bag of hammers