Abortion In Canada: Stephen Woodworth And Brad Trost Become Voice For Silent Social Conservative MPs

First Posted: 02/11/2012 10:05 am Updated: 02/13/2012 4:36 pm

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Tory MPs Stephen Woodworth, left, and Brad Trost have become vocal advocated for fresh debate on Canada's abortion laws. (CP)

When pro-life Conservative MP Stephen Woodworth stood in front of a podium facing a room packed with journalists Monday he knew he wasn’t facing a friendly crowd.

“You’re here to get a nice controversial story,” he told reporters at the National Press Theatre as he began pleading with them for support.

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Since December, Woodworth has taken to the media circuit telling reporters, the public and his constituents that he believes babies who are still in the womb should be recognized as legal human beings and that legislation which only sees them as human once their toes have seen daylight makes no sense. He has filed a motion calling for the formation of a special committee to determine when a human being is formed and, based on that conclusion, what the consequences would be of recognizing a fetus as a human being before it leaves the womb.

“At some point in your life you made a commitment, a personal commitment to the truth,” the Kitchener MP told journalists. “At least that’s what the rest of us expect of you. Has anyone here abandoned their commitment to the truth? Don’t you want truthful laws?”

A calm and friendly fellow with a gentle demeanor, Woodworth told reporters that what he is proposing is not to blow open the abortion debate but rather to have a discussion about an outdated 400-year-old law.

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It’s a tactic that those who champion abortion rights are fearful of, but that self-described pro-life politicians suggest is the only route open for them.

“I’ve learned that whenever you hear the term ‘reopen the debate’ that is simply code for they want to recriminalize abortion,” Joyce Arthur, the executive director of Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada told The Huffington Post Canada.

“They have to be more covert about it and sneaky and say ‘Oh it’s not about abortion, we care about the human rights and the rights of women’ but really that is just a cover,” she said.

While Arthur worries opponents of abortions are using different tactics to sell their message, the opponents themselves worry the message isn't being heard by the government at all.

The Conservatives are “hypocrites,” suggested Mary Ellen Douglas, a national organizer with Campaign Life Coalition.

“They claim that their MPs can say whatever they like and then they send in another MP from the Prime Minister’s Office to shut them down before they can do anything,” she said in an interview this week. “That’s hypocritical.”

It’s time to reopen the abortion debate, Douglas argued. “It is 40 years time to reopen it. It never should have happened in the first place. And what is (Prime Minister Stephen Harper) afraid of, you know? He has a majority … I don’t know what his fear is. But whatever it is, it is certainly holding him back,” she said.

Campaign Life Coalition has spent decades working with MPs and trying to get legislators who oppose abortion elected to Parliament.

“These MPs should be able to speak their minds and their conscience and act that way,” Douglas asserted.

“We have to have politicians with morals. In visiting MPs, I’ve had some politicians say to me, ‘I am personally opposed but I can’t impose that on other people.’ Excuse me? …That’s what we elect you for, to stand up for the moral issues! We don’t elect you to go there and blend in with the woodwork. We expect you to earn your money."

Now that the Conservatives have a majority, Douglas is hoping some backbench MPs will start speaking out.

They’ve been relatively silent because they fear losing their position and being disciplined, she said.

“Having the courage to stand up and do something often leads to some kind of discipline. They certainly need a jolt of courage,” Douglas added.

Unsurprisingly, Woodworth’s motion raised questions once again about the Conservatives’ hidden agenda but the government was quick to distance itself from its MP’s motion. Their efficient response led most media outlets to describe Woodworth's actions as going rogue.

Woodworth himself seemed caught off guard when a journalist informed him during his news conference that Justice Minister Rob Nicholson, a man whose voting record used to reflected a pro-life stance, had just issued a press release saying the Conservative government would not reopen the abortion debate.

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Woodworth won’t reveal what conversations, if any, he has had with the Prime Minister. But he told HuffPost he doesn’t like to surprise anybody and “it shouldn’t come as a surprise.”

The married father of three refused to discuss the feedback he has faced from fellow caucus members on not raising the abortion issue, although he acknowledged a range of views have been expressed.

“Some people are nervous when such an issue is raised. Some are supportive, some probably take the opposite point of view, I’m not sure I would call any of it pressure,” Woodworth said.

“Suffice it to say, I’ve filed my motion and I’m proceeding with it and I don’t expect to fall off the face of the Earth because of that,” he added, with nervous laughter.

Woodworth said he’s thought about the tricky position he’s placing some of his colleagues in —people such as cabinet ministers Vic Toews, Lynne Yelich and Jason Kenney (who ignored a request for interview) — who may feel caught between voting against the government for whom they speak or voting against their deeply-held religious beliefs.

“I have thought about it, yes. I haven’t come up with any grand conclusions,” Woodworth said.

He believes his motion has been watered down to such a point that it should not anger his peers.

“I have drafted a motion which is about as mild as I can think of to deal with the issue that I have raised. You know, I haven’t proposed any answers to any questions, I haven’t proposed any legislation that would compel anyone to do anything, I have simply requested a study,” he said.

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03:07 PM on 10/04/2012
I can't believe that 62% of people vote yes to reopening this debate. It does NOT need to be reopened. Imagine a woman who is raped and impregnated by her rapist. Imagine a woman who is told by a doctor that her unborn child will have fatal birth defects that will cause suffering and pain and a short lifespan. There are many other examples, but the fact of the matter is that it's a woman's body and her right to decide what to do with it. A male politician motioning to take away a woman's right to choose and have a safe abortion is putting us back 30 years. As women, we have come too far in history to accept such a motion. When will we collectively stand up for ourselves and our rights?
03:13 PM on 02/16/2012
is the vote still going on?
how long will it be going for ?
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suvariboy
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07:53 AM on 02/14/2012
I don't care for the wording of the poll. "Should Canada's laws on the rights of the unborn be changed?" So far, 52.65% have voted: "Yes. They're outdated." Either the anti-choice people have freeped this poll or the ones who answered yes didn't really understand what they were saying yes to. Saying yes they should be changed because they're outdated leaves the door wide open for the far-right politicians to take away rights from citizens of Canada. Contrary to what Mary Ellen Douglas, a national organizer with Campaign Life Coalition believes, politicians are not elected to force their religious beliefs and opinions upon the country. Their version of "morality" has no place in government.

One last thing: my major concern with these anti-choice types is that they work tirelessly, night and day, to take rights away from women and to give rights to zygotes yet as soon as they babies are born they forget about them. "Not our problem," they say. That's not right.
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09:58 PM on 02/13/2012
The Harper cabinet will never stop with this stuff. It is simple, it is emotional. No thinking required.
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Maria Korovessis Sewell
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02:52 AM on 02/13/2012
Was opening up the abortion debate part of Woodworth's election platform?
01:49 AM on 02/13/2012
VOTE VOTE VOTE. If you want your pro-choice voice heard. Heck, if you want your voice heard DO NOT vote PC.
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Imma Okay
09:41 PM on 02/12/2012
What? 40% of Canadians agree that the laws should be changed? Are Americans voting too by any chance?
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Mile End
Keep Church separate from State
10:13 AM on 02/13/2012
Of course they are. The mis-named American "pro-life" movement is completely without scruples. They countenance murder, bombings, arson, and kidnapping, in addition to the daily threats and harassment toward the clinics who provide abortions and the women who have them. You don't think they'd play fair with regard to a poll, do you?
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09:39 PM on 02/13/2012
Of course they are.
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cwebster
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05:33 PM on 02/12/2012
I wrote Mr Trost several months ago when he first poked his interfering nose above the parapet with his objections to funding PP internationally:

If you work for me...then don't try to interfere in things that do not concern you. As a woman, I am appalled at your temerity and hubris. Trying to deny the services of Planned Parenthood to women in impoverished countries is unconscionable. Birth control (and abortion) are necessary to women's health. No man should ever have the audacity to try to make that decision for women. No man will ever risk his life and health in pregnancy and childbirth. You may do what you wish in your personal life, but do not try to impose your ideals on others. Let them make their own decisions, based on their needs. If you deny women legal access to safe abortion, all that happens is that you condemn women to death, sterility or disability due to unsafe abortion. Their exisiting children may lose their only parent...because some politician in Canada decides he knows better??

There is no excuse and no need for such interference.

Have a nice day,
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suvariboy
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07:55 AM on 02/14/2012
Great letter! Did you get a reply?
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cwebster
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10:41 AM on 02/14/2012
From one of his aides, asking if I was a constituent. I guess only they are favoured with a reply...but not the rest of taxpayers.
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cwebster
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04:46 PM on 02/12/2012
We definitely do not need to reopen this debate. We have no restrictions in law, but in actual fact it is not that easy. We have a lower rate than the US which is oppressive and getting more so. making abortion illegal or restrictive simply increases ILLEGAL abortion which is far more dangerous.
Shut these MPs up before they manage to cause real harm...they've caused enough already.
Did Trost manage to stop funding Planned parenthood internationally? If so, we as a country have harmed a LOT of women.
01:50 AM on 02/13/2012
I so want to be a fan of yours. Not sure why HP hasn't corrected that yet.
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cwebster
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02:28 AM on 02/13/2012
Me, neither. Thank you for the compliment, btw:)
08:19 PM on 02/13/2012
you say we as a country have harmed a lot of women but yet you don't care about the thousands of children being harmed ????
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cwebster
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09:47 PM on 02/13/2012
If you are referring to abortion, do not be absurd. Allowing living , breathing women to die by denying them access to CONTRACEPTION because some silly male MP got his knickers in a knot about abortion is unconscionable. Contraception is very sorely needed in a lot of third world countries where there is limited access to medical facilities, water and food. Women are raped or have too many children and have no access to a safe abortion, so they rely on sticks and dangerous abortifacients such as ergot.

Here's something you may not know...abortion, as a percentage of pregnancies, remains pretty constant, whether they are safe or unsafe. There has always been a need and there will always be a need. Better to ensure that they are safe and legal, than to allow women to die needlessly or become disabled for the rest of their lives. What happens to their living children when mommy dies from an unsafe abortion because she couldn't take care of another child?
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suvariboy
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08:00 AM on 02/14/2012
The thing is, if these (mostly male) far-right politicians had their way all abortions would be banned as well as all forms of contraception. What's next, will they outlaw masturbation and cursing?
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01:15 PM on 02/12/2012
Woodworth is from my neck of the woods. He beat Karen Redman who was an amazing Liberal representative who lost her seat because everyone thought she was safe and worked on the seats that were in obvious danger. I have Conservative friends in Kitchener who have said publicly that they would have campaigned for Redman if they would have thought Woodworth had a chance of winning...

I believe the headline on this article is incorrect... there are no silent conservatives who are anti-choice, they're all overly vocal. The conservatives who are pro-choice are the ones who are quiet.
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colpy
03:34 PM on 02/12/2012
Excuse me?

Woodworth took his riding with 42.4% of the vote. Your "amazing" Liberal, Ms. Redman took only 31.3%, and lost by 5,500 votes..............your friends could not have saved her.

The Conservatives are pretty quiet on the issue, either way. The party simply does not dare deal with it.
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cwebster
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04:47 PM on 02/12/2012
They had better not. It's bad enough that our neighbours to the south are trying to take away womne's rights.
01:48 AM on 02/13/2012
I urge all woman who are pro choice to vote in the next election. You voice does matter. As does your health.
11:18 AM on 02/13/2012
Did he bring this up at all during the election campaign?
12:58 PM on 02/12/2012
Religious people are scarey. Here's a thought, let them dictate what women can and can not do, but only CHRISTIAN women. That way they can get in their misogynistic, paternalistic power trips, and it's okay cuz it only affects people who are drinking the same kool aid and Christian women are happy to have their men make decisions.
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cwebster
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04:48 PM on 02/12/2012
Forget that. I'm Christian, and if any man tries to tell me what to do, he can shove it up his you know what.
05:25 PM on 02/12/2012
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umacarrot
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09:40 AM on 02/12/2012
If they are not busy destroying the world economy and stealing all our money , conservatives are telling us what to do with our bodies .
08:59 AM on 02/12/2012
"At some point in your life you made a commitment, a personal commitment to the truth,” the Kitchener MP told journalists. “At least that’s what the rest of us expect of you. Has anyone here abandoned their commitment to the truth? Don’t you want truthful laws?”"

Here's a bit of truth for Mr. Woodward, though I imagine it would fall on deaf ears anyways.

The Bible is a collection of Sumerian, Greek and Egyptian oral traditions originally written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, and pieced together by men, namely Constantine who refused to get baptized until his death bed so he could continue to sin, to form the Bible. There are countless other Gospels that were left out, as well as different versions of them, as found in the dead sea scrolls at Qumran. It is not the literal word of God, and it's a good thing, as pushing your religious ideals on to those of us who don't want them isn't spreading the Gospel, it's spreading your own dogma, and that according to the good book would be considered heretical.
11:28 AM on 02/12/2012
Good point Expletive. I'll be your first fan!
11:30 AM on 02/12/2012
Well I would if the fan thang worked.
01:51 AM on 02/13/2012
Ditto
08:07 AM on 02/12/2012
At some point in time humans will have to adjust to the fact the word Conservatism is harmful to most of the society except to a small percentage at the top of the social ladder. Hopefully this day arrives in Canada long before we end up like the U.S. and what they are going through on a daily basis.
08:51 AM on 02/12/2012
Amen to that.
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umacarrot
Life Is the only thing worth living for.
09:30 AM on 02/12/2012
I,ve been thinking that for a long time now.
07:26 AM on 02/12/2012
Consider this post as an open letter to Mr. woodworth.
A previous Prime Minister of this country stated that the government "has no business in the bedrooms of the nation", and as far as Im concerned was one of the very few statements he made that actually made sense!
So, Mr. Woodworth, why dont you leave things alone and quit trying to control a womans womb-its hers and frankly none of your business! There are other issues in this country that would appear to be of a more urgent nature and you want to sidetrack everything and bring this issue up again?
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cwebster
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04:50 PM on 02/12/2012
I actually wrote this idiot. I got a reply simply asking if I was one of his constituents.
05:34 PM on 02/12/2012
Dosent surprise me one bit, seems these characters wont do anything or even answer a question, has to be for a constituent- where they may pick up a vote!
But believe it or not I have met a few elected MP`s who were willing to listen to someone even though they were not in his riding.