Omnibus Crime Bill: Pierre Claude Nolin, Conservative Senator, Votes Against Party's Own C-10 Legislation

First Posted: 03/ 2/2012 11:37 am Updated: 03/ 2/2012 12:19 pm

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Conservative Sen. Pierre Claude Nolin voted against his own party's omnibus crime bill C-10. (CP/Getty)

OTTAWA -- Canada's senators burnt the midnight oil Thursday as they wrapped up debate on the Conservatives' controversial crime bill.

The Tories' majority in the upper chamber helped pass their legislation in the face of stiff opposition from Liberal senators, two independents and one Conservative member, who voted against his party.

In the end the vote, 48 in favour to 37 opposed, was closer than expected, with nine Conservatives missing the midnight event along with seven Liberals and one independent.

Bill C-10, which was amended by a Senate committee, will be returned to the Commons for a final vote next week.

Conservative Sen. Pierre Claude Nolin told his Senate colleagues earlier Thursday he would vote against his own government's bill because of its drug sentencing provisions.

Nolin said the war on drugs was responsible for dozens of deaths every day in places like Mexico, and that Canada will not escape the violence.

Legalizing drugs would weaken the drug cartels, Nolin said.

"These cartels are already active in Canada," he told the Senate. "These dangers are very much present. It is not a figment of the imagination. It is waiting for us. We do not have the homicide rates ... but it is something that may be waiting (for us)," he added.

Just like alcohol prohibition, the Tory Senator said, evidence shows that increasing the intensity of drug enforcement through mandatory minimum sentences and other legal sanctions will not reduce the crime and violence associated with the cannabis industry.

"Instead, these laws will serve only to further entrench control of the cannabis market in the hands of violent criminals and waste precious tax dollars," Nolin said.

Conservative Sen. Linda Frum, suggested, however, that the lucrative drug business in Canada needed to be stopped at the source through more punishment not less.

"Marijuana is undeniably the jet fuel that powers Canadian-based organized crime and allows it to finance other illicit activities not only in Canada but across the world," Frum said, citing witness testimony received at the Legal and Constitutional Affairs committee.

Frum, suggested that, as a mother, she was particularly concerned marijuana had widespread effects on the well-being of Canadians -- noting that it is linked to depression in youths.

"How many of you know that Canadian adolescents have the highest rates of cannabis consumption in the world?" she twice asked.

Independent Sen. Elaine McCoy said public opinion on drug use, notably marijuana, would change and was already changing.

"The war on drugs has failed, there is no doubt about it. Experience has shown that ... it is just like prohibition in the 1930s," she said. "We have created one of the most lucrative industries in the world, and it is called illegal drugs."

In the last hour of debate, many Liberals made passionate speeches against the bill -- but without a majority in the Senate, they had no chance of influencing the outcome.

Liberal Sen. Larry Campbell questioned the need for C-10, noting that the crime rate in Canada had not risen substantially over the last few years. "This legislation is not good for Canada," he said. "This bill is grounded in ideology and political bias."

It will waste government money, precious police resources and put pressure on an already strained court system, Campbell added. "And we do not have a real assessment from the Government on what exactly this bill will cost."

Liberal Sen. Art Eggleton took issue with the bill's mandatory minimum sentences saying if Canadians want to adopt "appropriate" penalties for offenders, judges are the ones to make those decisions.

Eggleton said Canada's system has served the country well for 140 years and that many U.S. states are repealing their mandatory minimum sentences for minor drug offences.

Former Conservative spokesman for the bill Sen. Pierre-Hugues Boisvenu, who made headlines a few weeks ago for suggesting convicts should be given ropes with which to hang themselves in prison, said his office has been swamped with calls from Canadians "criticizing my rights to speech under the pretext that I am not elected."

Boisvenu complained the media has also ordered him to be silent.

"A society that does not recognize the equal rights of speech for all its citizen is called a dictatorship," he said.

Conservative Sen. Jean-Guy Dagenais, the Tories new point man on crime legislation, said C-10 represented a repositioning of the pendulum of justice -- something which Canadians have been demanding.

"C-10 is about introducing mandatory minimum sentences that will send a strong message to criminals telling them that there is a price to pay if they commit a crime in Canada," he said.

But Liberal Sen. Grant Mitchell, the last Liberal to speak, said the bill will not accomplish its stated goal.

"I notice that if the Conservatives say something over and over again you have to assume immediately that it is wrong ... The less likely it is to be true the more likely it is that they will hammer and try to make it true. The fact is it will create more victims, not fewer ones."

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OTTAWA -- Canada's senators burnt the midnight oil Thursday as they wrapped up debate on the Conservatives' controversial crime bill. The Tories' majority in the upper chamber helped pass their leg...
OTTAWA -- Canada's senators burnt the midnight oil Thursday as they wrapped up debate on the Conservatives' controversial crime bill. The Tories' majority in the upper chamber helped pass their leg...
 
 
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02:44 PM on 03/05/2012
legislature votes against the bill mean while people who need it have to suffer in pain cause they can't get it this really sucks. I get to watch my husband suffer cause the government wants money.
11:44 AM on 03/05/2012
Vic Toews is a liar, but the Conservatives do nothing about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia54A5B7auY

www.cananon.info

http://www.youtube.com/user/OperationVicTory
11:17 PM on 03/04/2012
Interested in checking out a petition to ask the Queen of England to dismiss Harper?(à la Chantal Dupuis)

http://www.change.org/petitions/to-canada-s-head-of-state-the-queen-of-england-please-dismiss-stephen-harper
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Marg Wood
Peace
11:23 AM on 03/08/2012
I wish it were possable but it isn't the Queen is not allowed to interfere with the government! That is the law! A petition is a waste of time!
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sallybutt45
To thine own self be true.
09:23 PM on 03/04/2012
Finally a voice of reason. Too bad we don't have enough of those here. Of course Canada hasn't all the money interest invested in our "war" and if they understand just what a tangled web we are dealing with................the huge profits to be made.........they will run from being embroiled and trapped into the labirynth.
07:41 PM on 03/04/2012
Linda Frum should get her head out of its delusion and read the facts. Shameful we have such an idiot for a senator.
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Marg Wood
Peace
11:28 AM on 03/08/2012
Most conservatives are idiots! The only thing they care about is power and control! They have no common sense! With the exception of the one that voted against this bill!
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Jimm Milenski
12:47 AM on 03/04/2012
So, if you want to make more criminals, make coffee illegal. There's more people using it than alcohol or tobacco nowadays. And Java Madness can be made into a serious menace that only government can control and conquer.
07:39 PM on 03/04/2012
And lets add apples to the list as well as they are both natural and cultivated and do as much harm as marijuana, not to mention they have medicinal qualities and make me feel good, unlike the legal alcohol which makes me want to punch out stupid politicians
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Dnlmsstch
too much for so few words
12:10 AM on 03/04/2012
I think Harper with a conservative majority is Karma for 8 years of Canadians saying how they were glad they were not Americans and did not have to live under Bush (and that they were superior because they would never elect some one like that).

Canadians are just like Americans - except whiter and with a Queen.
08:04 PM on 03/03/2012
Holland has some of lowest rates of teen drug use in the world.....and its legal. Conservatives are idiots!!!!!!
07:03 PM on 03/03/2012
Firstly: "Marijuana is undeniably the jet fuel that powers Canadian-based organized crime..." Really? I find that hard to believe... unless maybe organized crime is limited to the robbery of fast food joints in hunger induced rage.
Secondly: Higher mandatory sentences for drug crimes such as possession and sale of marijuana simply don't make sense when compared to the crime. Crimes like murder or rape, that involve an obvious victim and limited financial gain, should be punished with long jail terms and limited fines, because it is the action of hurting another individual that needs to be punished. Financial drug crimes like growing or dealing marijuana involve virtually no clearly identifiable victim and large financial gain, should be punished with limited jail terms and insurmountably larger fines, because it is the action of financial gain from an illegal activity that needs to be punished.
Thirdly: Legalization of marijuana and other drugs is a much more interesting discussion when based on taxes, costs, and potential revenues; rather than when based on religious criteria or the argument of personal freedom.
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Marg Wood
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11:34 AM on 03/08/2012
I wonder how many years does someone get for election fraud?
02:37 PM on 03/03/2012
And so goes the ways of politics.
11:48 AM on 03/03/2012
vote these authoritarian hypocrites out
07:40 AM on 03/03/2012
I wonder who looks at the US and says "yes, we want to be more like them". Only Harper and his vassals.
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Royce09
Freedom is not Free, cost = Blood of our Military
09:59 AM on 03/03/2012
Americans are nuts , regardless of the flavor you are talking about - vanila, chocolate, lemon , strawberry - ALL NUTS, but thats the way WE ROLL. God Bless us Americans we are too COOL.
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chuck nathaniel
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07:03 PM on 03/03/2012
Nothing like some good ol 'blame America' to ensure Canadians dont address our own problems.
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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
08:57 PM on 03/03/2012
That wasn't blame, dear. That was about pointing out the specific example -- war on drugs, world's highest incarceration rate and still no reduction in crime -- that we should not be following.
10:23 PM on 03/03/2012
I'm talking about an issue that's ours and ours only: copying failed American policies.
06:07 AM on 03/03/2012
senator frum -------------out to lunch ----
Conservative Sen. Linda Frum, suggested, however, that the lucrative drug business in Canada needed to be stopped at the source through more punishment not less............

"How many of you know that Canadian adolescents have the highest rates of cannabis consumption in the world?" she twice asked.

the source of the problem is DEMAND -------are you suggesting we incarcerate all of our adolecents

robo voter at best-------
02:03 PM on 03/03/2012
It Holland where its practically legal, a lot less young people try it!! Where do they get these studies!! They cannot get real criminals thru the court system in BC!!!
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sillyfrog
Pastafarian and UU student
11:12 AM on 03/04/2012
therainisgone was quoting Frum.
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01:53 AM on 03/03/2012
Robo-Calls needs to be investigated, the election was won by a small %. Conservatives would never have had a majority to pass this bill or others they have up their sleeves.

Some say there are a lot of white hats in the Canadian government, now would be a good time to speak up.
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Blodo
Time to build a better world
12:40 AM on 03/03/2012
We don't need this crime bill. We need an elected senate. This country is marching backward quickly and racking up deficits in the process. What, exactly, have the Tories accomplished that is making life any better in Canada? Nothing.
05:57 AM on 03/03/2012
we do not need to elected competing federal governments -----the senate should be abolished ---

it serves as a home for party fundraisers on taxpayer expense
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09:07 AM on 03/03/2012
Or we can turn it into an appointed academic/judicial body so it can actually act like "sober second thought". Senators should have some kind of credentials and do something, but they should also be minimally political.
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Blodo
Time to build a better world
12:34 PM on 03/03/2012
That is another option I could certainly live with.