NDP Leadership: Thomas Mulcair Goes 1 On 1 With HuffPost (VIDEO)

First Posted: 03/10/2012 3:36 pm Updated: 03/12/2012 2:09 am

BURNABY, B.C. — Thomas Mulcair is feeling pretty confident.

The NDP’s former Quebec lieutenant insists he’ll let the membership decide, but it’s clear from the twinkle in his eye that he believes he’s on a trajectory to become the party's next leader.

“We have run a very positive campaign since the beginning and we’ve also planned a campaign for five months … When you look at the way certain other candidates have organized themselves, maybe their organization was a bit more fashioned for a general election campaign that lasts five weeks,” Mulcair said, of his strategy.

“We planned something that would show gradual momentum, just as our financing increased, because it takes money to run all this and we’ve been successful in doing both.”

The Montreal MP has received more endorsements from more caucus members than any of the other six leadership candidates combined — including support from two contestants who’ve dropped out of the race, Romeo Saganash and Robert Chisholm. He’s topped the charts in terms of fundraising and has been the subject of most of the negative attacks.

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The crowning feather in his cap is criticism coming from Conservative corners. Details of talks the Tories held with Mulcair before he joined the NDP in 2007, re-emerged last week just as NDP members were receiving their voting ballots.

“I am quite convinced that Stephen Harper and his advisers are very aware of the fight that I will bring to them,” Mulcair told The Huffington Post Canada over dinner at James Street Café & Grill in Burnaby, B.C. “They have seen the result that we’ve obtained in Quebec and they are going to be very worried about us.”

“They are definitely going to be up to their old tricks with me. They’ll try, but I’m ready for them,” he added.

Mulcair is in the Vancouver-area ahead of the last official NDP leadership debate on Sunday. Since the province is home to more NDP members than any other, he’s planned back-to-back events trying to charm room after room of potential voters.

He’s received significant support from the Sikh community in the area, he said. But it’s support from a particular Sikh, fellow leadership contender Martin Singh, that is the subject of the most recent allegations against him.

On Friday, a story from The Canadian Press suggested some of Mulcair’s opponents believe he is in cahoots with Singh, the Nova Scotia pharmacist whose long-shot leadership bid has puzzled some party members. Opposing camps accuse Mulcair of using Singh as an attack dog to lash out at his competitors while he takes the high road.

Mulcair laughed at the suggestion Friday while his wife of 35 years, Catherine Pinhas, who has been travelling at his side, suggested people are saying “really, just about anything.”

“I’ve never needed anyone for me to deliver the messages that I’ve chosen to deliver," Mulcair said. “We’ve run our own campaign, Martin is a full candidate in this race, highly respected. He has a lot of his community support with him and so if other people want to spin that sort of stuff, I’ll let them spin that sort of stuff, our campaign has been upbeat and positive and we’re going to stay that way.”

There has been no co-operation, Mulcair insisted.

Over salad and spicy prawns, the former lawyer, bureaucrat, university professor and provincial cabinet minister in Jean Charest’s Liberal government in Quebec, addressed the principle criticism against him, that he’s betraying the NDP’s principles by wanting to move the party toward the centre.

“It’s not a question of us wanting to bring the party to the centre, it is a question of wanting to bring the centre to us,” the 57-year-old grandfather said.

“People want to defeat Stephen Harper, my way of doing it is to broaden our support, to go beyond our traditional base to make the NDP banner as attractive as possible to as many progressive-minded Canadians as we can and form the next government,” he said. “The NPD started on a great trajectory of modernization with Jack, moving forward. We’ve got to keep moving forward, we can’t start moving backwards.”

Like many other NDP leadership candidates, Mulcair has talked about reaching out to non-core voters and non-voters alike: to aboriginal people, young people and ethnic communities. But it’s what he’s willing to do to reach non-traditional supporters that has some NDP members worried.

“(It) is not a question of throwing aside any of our long-standing beliefs, (it) is simply a question of adapting, modernizing, our way of explaining ourselves, our way of approaching people,” Mulcair said. “When you look at a place like Saskatchewan where we have failed for four general elections in a row to elect a single NDP MP, we realize that unless we change our approach, we are going to get the same result,” he said.

Mulcair talked mostly about changing the NDP’s language and reaching out to ordinary people in ways that make the party seem less insular while sidestepping questions about specific policies.

The NDP clings too much to “stilted” terminology that comes from "another era” Mulcair said. He argued the party must tell Canadians how it intends to create a more progressive and prosperous society.

Debate over the use of the term “socialist” nearly tore the NDP apart at the party’s last convention in June.

One thing Mulcair is clear on is that he’ll go after Liberal supporters, but won’t work with the rival party.

“N.O.,” he told HuffPost. The NDP tried to form a coalition with the Liberals in 2008 and then the Grits “lifted their noses up on it,” Mulcair said.

The coalition experience taught Mulcair everything he needs to know about the Liberals. They’re untrustworthy and he said he’ll never work with them again, whether in a formal or informal coalition.

“The no is categorical, absolute, irrefutable and non-negotiable. It’s no. End of story. Full stop,” he said.

If he’s bothered by attacks that paint him an NDP impostor, he doesn’t show it.

“We take it as a compliment,” the current front-runner said.

A website claiming to represent NDPers concerned about his ideas, Know Mulcair, has attacked him for not supporting worker’s rights while in government and for his pro-Israel stance.

Mulcair retorted that, unlike the other candidates, he has actually been in government.

“I’ve had to make decisions in the real world,” he said.

His position on the Middle East is the NDP’s position, a two state solution.

But, unlike some of his other colleagues, Mulcair is not a pacifist and said he would want Canada to join military action in certain cases if sanctioned by the UN.

“I do think that we should have long ago been in Syria to stop the wholesale slaughter of the civilian population there…It is absolutely unthinkable that the world today would allow such an attack,” he said.

He’s also strongly opposed fellow competitor Brian Topp’s proposal to raise income taxes for Canada’s wealthiest people and said he’s opposed to popular B.C. candidate Nathan Cullen’s desire to work with the Liberals and Greens on joint-nominations.

Muclair has often butted heads with his colleagues who view him as too dictatorial. Some MPs told HuffPost they chose to support other candidates because they don't want Mulcair as their boss.

But if Mulcair does win, he suggested he’ll reach out to competitors and their supporters in an effort to unite the party.

“(We’ll) make sure that all the incredible men and women who are already members of Parliament are back in to the front row, with great jobs and great responsibilities,” he said. “Second thing is we need to open up our arms and let back in, at the best level we can, everybody who worked as staff.”

If he loses the race on March 24 at the NDP's Toronto convention, Mulcair said he’ll stick around, work tirelessly for the party and run again in 2015.

Not that he intends for that to happen.

“I got into politics to win. And that’s what I’ve been quite good at so far in my career, and that’s what I intend to do here.”

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04:10 PM on 03/13/2012
Sure hope Mulcair gets edged out by anyone else.
03:23 PM on 03/13/2012
I wonder why mainstream media has been avoiding Mr. Mulcair's source of anti Palestinian funding (contrary to the party's 2 state solution mandate), the same place PM Harper gets his from: http://bit.ly/zwmx0u
05:47 PM on 03/12/2012
I really see very little difference between the Greens - Liberals - NDP other than political history. Their new policy mandates are identical.

I just don't want to split the vote between 4 parties ( I am including the Bloc) which are carbon copies of each other.

We can just write Harper a nice letter that promises him majority rule -FOREVER and ave the grief.
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Warren Yuill
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07:26 AM on 03/12/2012
When I make comments on the Huffington post people consider me a rightwinger.
When I make comments on the Daily Beast people consider me a lefty.
Considering how much Canadians and Americans are alike
I think that puts me right square in the middle.
All these parties are fighting for the middle ground.
It's just their ideological bent that prevents them from admitting it.
Considering that,who do you put your faith in?
The guy that says he is leftist yet covets the center.
Or the guy who has the center yet covets recognition as being of the right.
05:49 PM on 03/12/2012
Funny - I always had a hard time pinning one political strip exactly to you.
Stop being a free thinker- it makes my stock responses useless.
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
10:21 PM on 03/12/2012
I'll take that as a compliment.
Thank you :)
01:21 AM on 03/12/2012
NDP has always been a Socialist leaning party? If the NDP becomes more centre Tommy Douglas will be rolling in his grave.
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....is politically radioactive.
09:53 PM on 03/11/2012
It's pretty obvious that a lot of you didn't even listen to what he's saying in that clip. From what I heard from that clip, he's not trying to move the party to the centre, but "move the centre to the party" by getting more young people involved.

I still think that that Nathan Cullen guy has the best idea about uniting Canada's Left in certain ridings where the Left has the majority but end up splitting the vote among NDP, Liberal, and the Greens, paving way for CPC to win with about 40%.

However, people just need to listen, even if you don't like the guy personally.
05:51 PM on 03/12/2012
My only goal is to have someone that fights back and not rolls over to Harper - which is why I like Muclair.

But like you I would rather pick one leader for the NDP- Liberals and Greens - and bury Harper into the 19th century ground he deserves.
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Kristopher Leang
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08:31 PM on 03/11/2012
dint make the connection exactly how better messaging, expanding who you target, and better communicated messaging and a stronger presence automatically means the NDP should move to the center to catch. sorry muclair lost me again.. those that dont vote right? because they are all centrists who couldn't find a centre party in either the liberals or conservatives (centrist in a Canadian context, liberals are slightly to the left, conservative moving further and further to the right of center but still there in some senses (unless they completely dismantle healthcare, privatize prisons ect) and hence need a third.
05:50 PM on 03/11/2012
if you're moving the NDP towards centre, just join with the Liberals already. Call it the "Liberal Democratic Party" or the "Not Harper Party". A coalition opposition is the only way to restore democracy in the next election. As charming as our splintered progressive vote is, it is time for both the NDP and Liberals to see what it will take to prevent a conservative minority from deciding the fate of our once-respected country.
Thelonius
Lived in Middle East for
11:18 AM on 03/11/2012
NDP leadership candidate Thomas Mulcair fails a key litmus test regarding his morality, respect for hard-won international humanitarian law and his suitability to lead. Following in the footsteps of Harper, he is slavishly devoted to Israel, a thoroughly documented exclusionary, expansionary, belligerent/illegal/brutal occupier, oppressor state:

http://ijvcanada.org/canadian-politics/thomas-mulcair-israel-right-or-wrong/

Independent Jewish Voices Canada

Thomas Mulcair – Israel, Right or Wrong

“I am an ardent supporter of Israel in all situations and in all circumstances.”

[“…je suis un ardent supporter de toutes les instances et de toutes les circonstances d’Israël.”]

Thomas Mulcair, quoted in Canadian Jewish News, May 1st, 2008.
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djelimon17
what's this thing for?
11:47 AM on 03/11/2012
Valid point there
06:47 PM on 03/11/2012
What! Are you surprised that Israel has support for it's ambition to be a free nation? They are not attempting to deny Palestinians the right to exist as so many other jurisdictions have done, with the Jewish people, throughout history. They do want Palestinians to acknowledge their right to exist as a free nation

Yes, I would agree that their treatment of those in the Gaza strip is sometimes is questionable, but I can tell you this, I would act in a similar fashion if my family was endangered by anyone.

Until the Palestinians reject the Hamas and their inhuman actions toward Israel, the problems will continue
05:53 PM on 03/12/2012
Can we just not talk about Isreal?!
07:16 AM on 03/11/2012
What?!

How dare an NDP'er suggest policy changes that could make it possible to form the federal govt.
09:22 AM on 03/11/2012
Would be nice to finally have a party that was "center of the road" but dont think it will ever be the NDP- hard core socialists from within will block that move (the ones that still believe Santa is alive and lives at 24 Sussex Dr.) and the government can provide everything for us by taxing the corporations!
09:37 AM on 03/11/2012
In my opinion, given the support the Conservatives shown for our nanny-state safety-net, they are actually the "center of the road" Party.

Liberals have moved to the Left, but they always do that when they are in Opposition. NDP are far-Left, as they can't shake their union backers without running out of money.
06:51 PM on 03/11/2012
I don't think anybody believes that taxing corporations will provide a solution to all problems and provide everyoner a free ride, but there is no doubt that corporations have to be made to start paying a greater share of the taxes required to run our society. There should be no free ride for them either.
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maxmtl
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03:43 AM on 03/11/2012
Please Canada, keep him. We do not want him back in Quebec.
11:17 PM on 03/10/2012
Oh please god let the liberal party get its act together. Who do i vote for now: The conservatives who more and more every day look like the Republican party south of the border; or a quasi-socialist party that will ruin the nations balance sheet.
08:22 AM on 03/11/2012
Just wait for the Liberal Party to merge with the NDP to give you a new political party to vote for...
04:19 PM on 03/11/2012
Conservatives all over the world have been ruining every balance sheet they touch for decades now. That's what conservatives do best - break budgets, start wars and spread hatred so big business can suck the public dry. Conservative crony capitalsm, ala Harper.
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Sean Connolly
10:18 PM on 03/10/2012
I think my soul was sucked out from that video. Nathan Cullen or bust. This guy scares me.
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YankeeCanuck
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12:00 AM on 03/11/2012
Anybody but Mulcair!!!!!
Moving the party not to the center--to the right, and flooring it.
06:54 PM on 03/11/2012
I understand your position but they need someone who will go for the throat against Harper and his minions. I would suggest Cohen might be somewhat of a balance.
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Sean Connolly
06:36 AM on 03/15/2012
Cullen is the only viable option
09:46 PM on 03/10/2012
The ndpers on the ground are not going to vote for this liberal
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YankeeCanuck
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12:01 AM on 03/11/2012
Liberal??? He's more like Harpo.
08:26 AM on 03/11/2012
Mulcair is what ever the political wind suggest he should be...
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djelimon17
what's this thing for?
08:51 PM on 03/10/2012
At this point i favour working with the Libs. If they'll accept being junior partners, which I doubt they will.

Muclair is okay by me.
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YankeeCanuck
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12:01 AM on 03/11/2012
Mulcair is Harpo lite.