Liberal Party: Polls Show Bob Rae And The Grits Lagging Behind Mulcair's NDP

The Huffington Post Canada  |  By Posted: 04/13/2012 8:45 am Updated: 04/13/2012 10:31 am

Liberals Polls Bob Rae
A succession of national polls since the NDP’s leadership convention have pegged support for the Liberals under interim leader Bob Rae at only 19 per cent, the same share of the vote the party took under Michael Ignatieff in 2011’s federal election. (CP)

With Thomas Mulcair at the head of the NDP, it’s back to square one for the Liberal Party.

A succession of national polls since the NDP’s leadership convention have pegged support for the Liberals under interim leader Bob Rae at only 19 per cent, the same share of the vote the party took under Michael Ignatieff in 2011’s federal election.

Rae had managed to steal the spotlight from the floundering NDP when Nycole Turmel was running the show in Ottawa and some of its best MPs were busy trying to woo New Democrats in their bid for the top job. But now that Mulcair is Opposition leader, Rae has been relegated to the reality of his party’s third-place standing in the House of Commons.

Only 12 per cent of Canadians think Rae is the best option for prime minister, compared to 20 per cent for Mulcair and 25 per cent for Stephen Harper, according to a recent survey. The interim Liberal leader only outperforms Mulcair in Ontario, where he used to be premier, and Harper only in Quebec, where the Conservatives are struggling.

The Liberals are bleeding most in central and eastern Canada, with the party dropping to third place in Ontario and third or fourth place in Quebec. In Atlantic Canada, the Liberals are down about four points since the last election.

Rae is keeping the Liberals afloat in Ontario, where their support has slipped back to where they were in May 2011 (25 per cent) after scoring over 30 per cent during the NDP leadership campaign. Returning to their starting point in Canada’s largest province is a problem for the Grits, as they once again trail the NDP.

But Quebec has seen the most hemorrhaging of Liberal support. The Liberals were polling in the low-to-mid 20s in the province, and even placed first in one poll. Under Mulcair, a former cabinet minister in Quebec, the NDP has moved back to 40 per cent or so in the province, with much of that support coming from the Liberals. The Bloc Québécois has taken a hit as well, but the majority of the NDP’s gains seem to have come from federalist Quebecers who now identify the NDP under the leadership of the Outremont MP as the standard-bearer for their cause.

Things are slightly better out west for the Liberals. The party is polling somewhat higher than their 2011 election result in Alberta, the Prairies, and British Columbia. However, they are still well behind the Tories and the NDP and nowhere near averaging more than 16 per cent support.

If there is one silver lining for the Liberals in all of this, it is that their party has the most potential for growth. A Léger Marketing survey found that 20 per cent of Canadians identify themselves as on the right, 25 per cent on the left, and 26 per cent in the centre, where the Liberals are supposed to reside.

Expanding that further, we see that Mulcair has the potential to woo 41 per cent of the electorate (those who identify themselves as left-wing, centre-left, and centrist), while Harper tops out at 46 per cent (right-wing, centre-right, and centrist voters).

The middle is the best place to be for Bob Rae, as his party could be an option for 58 per cent of Canadians (the combination of centre-right, centrist, and centre-left voters). But with only a third of that support at this point in time, the Liberals have a long way to go.

Éric Grenier taps The Pulse of federal and regional politics for Huffington Post Canada readers on most Tuesdays and Fridays. Grenier is the author of ThreeHundredEight.com, covering Canadian politics, polls, and electoral projections.

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ProgressiveCDN
A Progressive Moderate
01:12 PM on 04/17/2012
Centrist Pragmatism is no longer a winning argument. Our country is polarized, and the Liberals need to return to their Progressive roots. Afterall, it is Progressive to be pragmatic and that is the essence of who the Liberals are. Mulcair is not taken seriously outside of Quebec, and even in Quebec all we'd need is a strong French-speaking leader (say, Trudeau) to take a big chunk of our supporters back... The Liberals are down and out for the moment, but it will be interesting to see how they rebuild
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Taylor Jay
I don't align myself with any political party.
12:15 AM on 04/29/2012
we are Loving Muclair in Alberta for his wit against the Prime Minister in the House of Commons
10:05 PM on 04/13/2012
liberals have burned themselves out politically. there's nothing else this party can offer to canadians in its present format. they are gripped by political correctness that they have imposed upon themselves with the religiocity not seen in the church and that stifles them as they want to appease anything and anybody and there is no right or wrong, but whatever feels good at a time. with a total lack of clear positions voters won't committ to liberals as liberals themselves don't even know what they stand for anymore. perhaps young trudeu will create some kind of a stir only b/c of his lastname but other than that in a present format, liberals don't have much to offer.
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Bumpers car
Fish till you die
09:15 PM on 04/13/2012
It's a long road to the next election. The NDP are riding the fame of Layton and the newness of Mulcair but 3 years is an era in politics. Lets talk again in the spring of 2015.
09:12 PM on 04/13/2012
I hope they aren't having a contest. I like the job both are doing. They are effective against Harper. I hope they both win the next election.
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06:15 PM on 04/13/2012
Bob, is not looking too good.
04:16 PM on 04/13/2012
39% of 60%.

Until either we unite the left or get some sort of representation based on votes, Canada will be ruled by the Reform Party. Oh, that's right, they call themselves the CPC now.
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robertmiller252
06:33 AM on 04/14/2012
A fine example of living history. Reform Party my A**.
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03:41 PM on 04/13/2012
to be expected since the Libs have not yet picked a leader. Then they will either rise or fall by their choice. If continue in the Dion, Iggy vein they will be finished. They have to lighten up on being so politically correct and use more common sense. Less ladies with the silk scarves around their necks and a more widely versed crew is required.
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noonesbusiness
03:25 PM on 04/13/2012
I am beginning to like the Canooks... :)
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
03:13 PM on 04/13/2012
Personally I think Mr Rae has done an admirable job representing the Liberal party this last year.
Time and time again he's proven himself "the elder statesman" in his role as interim party leader.
The Libs were well positioned considering their numbers and the lack of leadership in the NDP ranks.
But that's over.
Mr MulCair is the new boss and seems capable of steering his party through their role as official opposition and government hopefuls.
The Libs are still licking their wounds from their humiliating losses with no momentum and no vision for the future.
Not a good place to be.
And our buddy Bob is left to suffer the slings and arrows of his competitors while twisting in the wind or vacume that seems to be taking up the most space in the Liberal party.
I think he deserves better.
I would suggest a meeting with Mr MulCair.
Just Bob though.
If they'll have him.
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
02:31 PM on 04/13/2012
Bob's job was to hold the course while the Liberal party got their shiet together and choose a new leader.
It's been a year now and without a clear mandate Mr Rae is kinda lost in the harness.
The party brass needs to go.
Fresh blood and bold ideas is what the Liberal party needs
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02:39 PM on 04/13/2012
Which new and bold ideas would these be?
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
02:56 PM on 04/13/2012
That's for the liberals to decide.
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Steve Lives
The Venus Project ... look it up
01:56 PM on 04/13/2012
I don't think they will get out of the basement with Rae, too much baggage. But he is an "interim" leader. Lets see who the pick to grab the reigns before jumping off the cliff.
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12:39 PM on 04/13/2012
Not a shock it was the weakness of Turmel not the strength of the party that kept them afloat
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02:27 PM on 04/13/2012
How was she weak? When Mulcair was elected, the NDP was in the high 30s in Quebec and at 30% nationally. I don't see how you reach that conclusion.
02:31 PM on 04/13/2012
Wishful thinking is how.
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02:27 PM on 04/13/2012
Oh, and did I mention the NDP was ahead of the Libs in the polls too?
11:41 AM on 04/13/2012
The Liberals should dissolve.

Let's get this Left/Right show on the road.
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freeSpeakr
I stand on the shoulders of giants
12:15 PM on 04/13/2012
just like in the States!
“Politics in America: The Reality.

I like the puppet on the left.

The puppet on the right is more to my liking.

Holy Crap, there's one guy holding up Both puppets!

GO BACK TO BED AMERICA. YOUR GOVERNMENT IS IN CONTROL.

These are for you HOR.

David Orrell interviewed about Economyths http://goo.gl/hf31e

ALEC, Walmart, and Trayvon Martin
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/opinion/krugman-lobbyists-guns-and-money.html?_r=1

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Bursting Eugene Fama's bubble. http://mises.org/daily/4056
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rickthaluddite
What noisy cats are we
10:39 AM on 04/13/2012
The Conservatives are playing a dangerous game by running ads attacking Rae's record as premier of Ontario. That was 20 years ago for gawd's sake. Let's talk about what happened here when Clement, Baird, and Flaherty were in Mike Harris's and Ernie Eve's governments. Downloading costs to municipal gov't's which resulted in property tax increases. Everyone says the Walkerton disaster was a fluke-- what will they say when people die because food inspections are rubber-stamped because inspectors are being cut. The federal inspectors that are being transferred to provincial offices are simply costs being moved from the fed's books to provincial books-- just like Mike Harris's Ontario.
I bet every civil servant who is getting a pink slip would rather take 10 unpaid "Rae Days" than see the civil service gutted like Harper is doing. Even the ones not being let go would likely prefer 10 unpaid days off than to see their co-workers laid-off. Keep slashing and burning-- lots of us are on to you Mr. Harper (and the rest of us are slowly coming around.)
11:01 AM on 04/13/2012
Well said.
f/f
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rickthaluddite
What noisy cats are we
11:08 AM on 04/13/2012
Thanks. Sometimes, I even surprise my self with a good post.
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Marg Wood
Peace
11:25 AM on 04/13/2012
Ray underestimated the teachers! He was trying to create more jobs without raising costs as well, but he should have known the teachers would not go for it and neither would anyone else!
He is no longer NDP either!
01:30 PM on 04/13/2012
I was a teacher who fully agreed with what became known as Rae Days. Instead of a bunch of the new teaching staff being laid off Ontario's recession challenges were shared around. I would much rather have a 10 day pay cut than a 365 day cut any day. People still complain about that decision but I defend it every time. What's happening federally now is a disgrace. We all pay for tax cuts if not today, definitely tomorrow. Are we going to get any services while people wonder when the axe will fall on them?