Posted: 05/11/12 10:49 AM ET  |  Updated: 05/11/12 05:11 PM ET

Change My Mind: Does Opposing Gay Marriage Make You A Bigot?

It is a huge moment for gay rights -- for and against. While Barack Obama just became the first president to endorse gay marriage, his announcement came on the heels of North Carolina passing an amendment that defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

Either way, Obama's open approval of same sex marriage represents a huge change in popular attitudes towards the issue. It is clearly seen as less of a political liability to take the President's position. But does this mean greater social stigma will be directed towards those who are against changing the definition of traditional marriage?

In our popular series, "Change My Mind," Huffpost asked two of the most prominent gay marriage activists -- pro and con -- to debate the statement: Same-sex marriage opponents are unfairly marginalized as bigots.

Arguing for the "agree" side is Maggie Gallagher, a nationally syndicated columnist and the co-founder of the National Organization for Marriage. The National Journal has named her to its list of the "most influential" people in the same-sex marriage debate.

Arguing for the "disagree" side is John Corvino, an associate professor and chair of philosophy at Wayne State University in Detroit, and a frequent campus speaker on LGBT issues. The two are co-authors of the newly published Debating Same-Sex Marriage, from which this debate is adapted (with permission from Oxford University Press USA Copyright © 2012 by John Corvino and Maggie Gallagher).

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Maggie Gallagher Co-Founder, the National Organization for Marriage

The heart of the gay marriage idea is this: when it comes to marriage there is no publicly relevant or morally acceptable distinction to be made between same-sex and opposite sex unions. If you see a difference between these two kinds of unions, there is something wrong with you.

In the strong and increasingly common form of this claim, people who see marriage as the union of husband and wife are like bigots who oppose interracial marriage. The emerging conflicts between religion and gay equality have been raised in other venues. Here I want to raise church-state conflicts created by same-sex marriage not to defend religious liberty, but to point to the ways in which new legal pressures will interfere with the private transmission of our marriage culture after same-sex marriage.

Gay marriage will not only create a new public definition of marriage, it will lead to the stigmatization of traditional views of marriage. The resulting negative effects on traditional faith communities will make it harder for private actors to sustain the core marriage norms once government and "civil marriage" have stigmatized these ideas as "anti-equality."

The best way to see this is to take gay marriage advocates seriously: If opposition to gay marriage is the moral equivalent of opposition to interracial marriage, then we need to ask, How does the law treat people who oppose interracial marriage?

Here's the good news: You can be a racist in American society without being thrown in jail. The First Amendment applies to racists too.

That's the end of the good news. Because the law powerfully intervenes (properly in the case of racism) to marginalize, stigmatize and repress racist people and especially racist institutions.

Consider for example professional licenses: Can you be a teacher, a social worker, an attorney, a psychiatrist, marriage counselor or obstetrician if you are openly racist? Probably not, and certainly not if you attempt to import your racist views into your professional practice.

Or consider employment generally. In America, if you voice racist views, you will almost certainly face consequences from your employer, and if they become publicly known you will likely be fired. Americans are typically employed "at will" and can be fired any time an employer wants to for any reasons, except certain prohibited categories like race, religion, gender and in some states sexual orientation.

The biggest weapon, other than the criminal law, in the government's arsenal is the decision to withhold tax-exempt status to racist charities and educational institutions. This is true even if the racist institutions are religious organizations citing a religious liberty right to their beliefs, as the Supreme Court held when it took away Bob Jones University's tax-exempt status by an eight to one vote.

Equality is the state's religion in America. Ideas and people who are perceived as "anti-equality" do not get to play on a level playing field, but one decidedly tilted against their views by government, law and society. Equality arguments do not lead to pluralism but to the use of government and social power to suppress dissent, dissenters and dissenting institutions.

Could the government really use weapons meant to fight racism against traditional, religious organizations and institutions that promote the idea marriage is intrinsically a union of male and female, or that kids need moms and dads? Yes. The marginalization, stigmatization and repression of traditional understandings of marriage is what the phrase "marriage equality" means.

If affirming traditional marriage is an act of bigotry, then the government can require you to offer marital benefits to gay couples, even within your religious schools, summer camps, and charitable agencies. The government may require you to hire or retain as teachers or other professionals people who publicly flout your group's religious views on marriage, making it difficult for these institutions to transmit the idea of marriage as a union of husband and wife of within their own private communities.

Adoption and foster agencies may be refused licenses, or shut out of public funding streams, if they refuse to personally endorse adoption by gay couples (and the public status of gay couples as united by civil marriage makes the older "don't ask, don't tell" kluges used by these agencies untenable).

These things are now happening, in this country or in our close sister democracies, By and large the organized, institutionalized same-sex marriage movement applauds these steps, because this is what marriage equality means.

John Corvino Author, What's Wrong with Homosexuality?

When people are unwilling to grant same-sex couples inclusion, affirmation and respect, does that make them bigots? The analogy to interracial marriage can be illuminating here, although perhaps in different ways than you think.

Let me illustrate from my own experience. My grandparents -- like many other whites of their generation -- opposed interracial marriage. I loved, admired and respected my grandparents. (Still do: one is still living.) Their racism was not the sneering, epithet-wielding, block-the-schoolhouse-door variety. Their stated reasons against interracial marriage seemed noble enough: it was bad for the children, they'd say, or it's not what God wants, or sometimes: "It's just not right." They didn't make a fuss about it, and they didn't organize around it politically, but they deeply believed it.

Were my grandparents bigots? I can understand why many would say so. As someone who loves them, I prefer to think of it this way: my grandparents -- like all of us, me included -- had their moral blind spots, and racism was among them.

Some people balk at any comparison between same-sex-marriage and interracial-marriage: "Race and sexual orientation are not the same thing!" Of course they're not. I've never said otherwise. When we make an analogy, we're not saying that two things are the same. We're saying that they're similar in some relevant respects. They may be quite dissimilar in others, and both the similarities and the differences can be instructive.

What can we learn from looking at the history of racial discrimination and interracial marriage? Several relevant things. That couples experience the denial of marriage as a powerful deprivation. That human beings often hide behind religion to absolve their views from rational assessment ("It's not me who says this; it's God!"). That people sometimes invoke what's "natural," or what's bad for the children, to justify their biases. That fear sometimes eclipses reason. That even good people can have serious moral blind spots.

Most relevant to my point here, we can learn how bigotry can have a gracious, even noble-looking face. It's not always about yelling epithets, or throwing food at people, or physically blocking doors. Sometimes it involves kindly grandparents who can't quite wrap their minds around social change. Sometimes it's about metaphorically blocking doors. . . .

Whichever side prevails in this debate, the other's views will be marginalized. There's no getting around that. (That's what prevailing in the debate means.) It needn't be ugly, although it sometimes is. Let's not pretend, however, that either side has a monopoly on nasty rhetoric. When Focus on the Family founder Dr. James Dobson accuses gays of seeking "the utter destruction of the family," or when former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum compares same-sex relationships to "man on dog" sex, or when Congresswoman Michele Bachmann says that homosexuality is "part of Satan," they marginalize and dehumanize their opponents.

Traditionalists should think twice before playing the victim card: It is legal in more than half of U.S. states to fire someone from a job simply for being gay. Until recently, gay citizens had to lie about their close relationships in order to serve in our nation's military. And as recently as 2003, I could be charged with a felony for having private intimate relations with my partner.

Many of Maggie Gallagher's allies openly supported such laws. Some still do.

The view that same-sex couples are unworthy of marriage is a wrongheaded one, which should, and will, be marginalized. But what about the view that children need mothers and fathers? If Gallagher is trying to connect the dots between that premise and her opposition to same-sex marriage, we should focus more specifically on this question: Will people be stigmatized, and even branded as bigots, simply because they believe that children do best with their own (biological) mother and father?

Honest answer: it depends.

Specifically, it depends on how they frame their point. If they make their focus child welfare, they should be fine. Indeed, on certain points, they may find surprising allies. I too lament the fact that many men don't take their responsibilities as fathers seriously. I'd like to see the divorce rate reduced, especially when children are involved. I recognize teen pregnancy as a real social problem, particularly in poor minority communities. If the focus is on getting everyone to take more responsibility when it comes to sex and procreation and childrearing, then sign me up.

But that, sadly, has seldom been the focus. Instead, "the traditional view of marriage" has become code for "no gays allowed." Consider the National Organization for Marriage, which Gallagher co-founded. What do they do to protect children and strengthen marriage? Not a single thing. Their sole mission is to keep gays out. Worse yet, their scapegoating diverts resources away from measures that might actually help children.

If you don't want your child-welfare convictions to get branded as discrimination, then you shouldn't cloak them in a discriminatory message: No gays allowed. Regrettably, that's the path that Gallagher and her allies have consistently chosen.

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Steamboater 09:39 PM on 05/12/2012
There are so many false arguments in Gallagher’s ‘reasoning it’s a wonder she can even see to read them.

“ ... emerging conflicts between religion and gay equality have been raised in other venues.

You can be a racist in American society without being thrown in jail. The First Amendment applies to racists too.

... the decision to withhold tax-exempt status to racist charities  Read More...


It’s precisely religion and only religion why homophobes exist and anti-marriage views are held. Is’s at the root of everything. Anyone is free to say whatever they want and hold whatever views they want but they are not free to act on those views either violently or, for example, refuse to hire someone when taxpayer money is used to either fund a school or a business etc has a state and/or city licence to operate.  Gay marriage is part of the political landscape too. A religious organization that is in fact tax exempt either stays out of politics or puts it’s nose in and either keeps it’s tax exempt status or should pay through the nose.

As to a level playing field. There is no level playing field in regard to Gay-Amercans. The federal government punishes Gays without marriage equality and rewards heterosexual couples with it. It’s heteros who have all those special rights the homophobes among them are always complaining Gays want.

Lastly, Gallagher ends with the “if” word, a weapon used by bullies all the time. If Gay marriage is legalized the cows won’t home, kids won’t do their homework, priests won’t sexually molest kids, dogs won’t stop farting and Gallagher will have to buy a pair of glasses. That at least, wouldn’t be so bad.
04:13 PM on 02/22/2013
iam against gay marriage because its morally wrong and i dont expect those who could careless to understand.
03:59 PM on 02/22/2013
AND many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.

2 peter 2:2

you shall not hate your brother in your heart. YOU shall surely rebuke your neighbor and not bear sin because of him .leviticus 19:17
11:02 PM on 08/02/2012
The comments of bigots and hateful bigots for not supporting gay marriage is simply PROPAGANDA. If one was to ask Americans what comes to mind when hearing the term bigot I highly suspect many would recall images of brutal racial bigotry and this is exactly what the authors of these radical comments want. In their choice of words these writers want to create fear. Unfortunate history has taught society that propaganda that aims to create fear is from extremist sources. Not supporting gay marriage is NOT bigotry and frankly calling it that is insulting to those who have suffered true bigotry and this abuse of language opens the door to future abuses. A quick search internet search and Websters definition for bigot “a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance”. Those who have voted against gay marriage were voting to maintain the definition of marriage as they morally believe and not voting to hate people who are homosexual. I highly recommend you beware of sources that comment that gay marriage is accepted as “conventional” and beware of internet poles as these are notoriously manipulated/ falsified.
11:51 PM on 08/01/2012
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10:42 PM on 05/23/2012
This was a loaded debate topic.
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10:35 PM on 05/16/2012
Gay marriage advocates base their claims on the assumption that same-sex couples are equal to opposite-sex couples. This is not true, however. Let me explain: I know that gay marriage advocates pose this as a moral issue; that same-sex couples are MORALLY equal to opposite-sex couples and therefore, should have all the rights and privileges of the latter. While that is open to debate, it is not on that basis that marriage is established.

Marriage is established on the practical EFFECT that opposite-sex couples have on society, which is procreation, and not on the moral status of the relationship. It is apparent to all that same-sex couples have no such similar practical effect. In terms of any legitimate or important governmental interest, same-sex couples are equivalent to good friends who share lodgings and expenses. And that’s all.

Gays want to change the basis of marriage from a purely pragmatic one to a moral one. It may be argued, however, that all relationships are morally equivalent. Should government now make moral distinctions among relationships and discriminate on that basis? Perhaps one might see the many pitfalls and disadvantages to this approach. It would be best to apply only the pragmatic standard and leave the moralizing to the theologians and the philosophers.
09:43 AM on 05/18/2012
Except for the niggling little fact that non-procreative heterosexuals are allowed to marry, you might have had an actual point.

Procreation is NOT a requirement of marriage - ANYONE'S.

My youngest sister has been heterosexually married - TWICE! - and produced no children. Should she not have been allowed to get married?

Sorry, but you need a better argument.
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I DONT want you to think like me, I just want you
11:07 AM on 05/18/2012
Thats IT ? Your going to base marriage 'solely' on the fact that it's for 'procreation' ???? Your astoundingly 'wrong'. I have about a billion couples that would 'disagree' with you and some violently as some are 'childless' due to infertility, arguments. social status etc ETC That is always the most ridiculous argument that Anti- proponents have. Your turning marriage into something 'practical' ? The religious right would also have a word with you about its' Sanctity' buddy. Then you want to try to add some kind of 'morality' to it ? Have you 'ever' been to a 'swingers' party, wait never mind your probably 'not' married. There's your 'smoking' gun. Your 'not' married. CASE CLOSED !!! ( and if you are my condolences to your wife/sister )
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05:13 PM on 05/15/2012
"Bigot" is a big word that connotes bigotry about everything. There are some opponents to gay marriage who merely have to see for themselves that it's no big deal, that it cannot and does not and will not destroy or even minimize straight marriage (as evidenced by literally every place on Earth where it's legal). Upon seeing it for themselves, all sensible and sane people come around, providing they aren't a rabid bigot to begin with, or so indoctrinated with religious dogma that there's no turning back.
09:44 AM on 05/18/2012
Ah, "sensible and sane". THAT's why there's opposition to equality. Those in opposition AREN'T "sensible", that's for sure. (Can't vouch for anyone else's 'sanity'.)
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08:11 AM on 05/15/2012
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11:09 AM on 05/18/2012
Well now that you 'understand' it 'where' do you stand on gay marriage ???
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12:54 PM on 05/14/2012
"The biggest weapon, other than the criminal law, in the government's arsenal is the decision to withhold tax-exempt status to racist charities and educational institutions. This is true even if the racist institutions are religious organizations citing a religious liberty right to their beliefs, as the Supreme Court held when it took away Bob Jones University's tax-exempt status by an eight to one vote."

Is her point that religious organizations should be able to be racist and bigoted (without repercussions from the government) because their views should be protected under religious freedom??? Please tell me I understand that incorrectly.
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06:43 AM on 05/15/2012
Talk about government “weapons" to be used against people is really talking about tyranny. It is not the government’s role to make moral judgments against anyone. It is only tyrannical government that would abusively use something like the morally corrupt tax code to reward and punish those who go against the moral sensibilities of whoever happens to be in power at the time.
09:46 AM on 05/18/2012
Voting on other people's rights and freedoms - now THAT'S "tyrrany".
12:42 PM on 05/14/2012
Her argument is ridiculous because she is comparing racism to denying gay individuals the right to marry. If she wanted to make an accurate comparison she would have made the argument that not allowing gay people to get married is like denying rights to black people for being black. Just because people are racist does not mean that certain races are denied rights.....which is what is happening to gay people right now! She is a very articulate person who is great at twisting an argument to make it sound less st*tty then it actually is.
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11:49 AM on 05/14/2012
I recently discovered my grandmother (whom I adore and have the up most respect) is a self-professed homophobe. Because she had remained mum on the issue for so many years, I just assumed she supported it because in my mind, homophobes are loud, ranting, irrational people and that is the anti-thesis of what my grandmother has represented to me.

To hear the person whom you adore and have looked at as a hero for your entire life spew lies, misinformation and just plain hatred steeped in paranoia and irrational fear was the most heartbreaking and eye-awakenening moment in my life. Her only explanation? "I'm old, what do you expect?" I guess I expected better, I thought she was *different* from the rest of them. But she isn't and that has taught me so much about human nature. As John states, even "good" people can be homophobes. Even the most intelligent, loving and compassionate people (to you) can have an ugly, irrational side to them.

As for this debate Gallagher's "argument" (and I use that word loosely) is just more rehashing the same lies, misinformation and paranoia that is sadly (but now, oh so predictable) all too common with "Pro- Marriage" types.
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01:57 AM on 05/15/2012
Do you actually have an argument in favor of gay marriage, or is just all feelings with you?
Bianca S
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03:39 PM on 05/15/2012
Yes.
No.

That's all.
09:48 AM on 05/18/2012
The argument in favor is equal protections under the law (you know, like the Constitution promises - to ALL citizens). Oh, and the inalienable right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And liberty and justice for ALL.
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09:25 PM on 05/13/2012
I don’t see how opposing something that is illogical, divisive, anti-social, useless and inimical to society can be characterized as bigotry. Opposing gay marriage IS the rational course of action.
12:35 PM on 05/14/2012
How is gay marriage illogical, divisive, anti-social, useless and inimical? Just because you don't like the idea of gay marriage does not mean that it is any of these things.
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07:49 PM on 05/14/2012
Gay marriage is illogical because one of the two best arguments that can be mustered in its favor is basically “Why not?” Of course, the logical rebuttal is “Why?” There is, however, simply no important or legitimate state interest or governmental purpose for same-sex marriage any more than there would be for someone who wants to marry his best friend, his pet or his lawn chair.

The second best argument is “Because it would be nice.” Well, there are a lot of things that would be nice, but the role of the state shouldn’t be the one normally fulfilled by the fairy godmother.

Gay marriage is useless because gay relationships are useless. Here’s why: We don’t, for example, encourage people to spend their time viewing porno and masturbating even if this might do no harm to others, because this removes the participation of such individuals from any useful contribution they might make to society. We don’t encourage laziness and indolence either, for the same reason..

Homosexuality falls into these same categories. Homosexuals remove themselves from participation in a very important responsibility that individuals have towards society, which is procreation. This is vital to the survival of a nation, and their sexual activities can easily be regarded as a big waste of time and making no contribution to society ever, just like masturbation.

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07:49 PM on 05/14/2012
It is divisive because it opposes an alien, ill-defined, even unknown, moral authority against the traditional one of the Bible, thereby dividing the unity that society had once enjoyed. As gay marriage can rely on no historical, moral or philosophical tradition to legitimize it, it needs to assert the doctrine of moral relativism, which essentially denies any universal standard at all and puts the individual moral view above that of the societal one. Thus, it acts as an encouragement to people to detach themselves from society. This works against the unity of society, which makes it anti-social.

All of these are damaging to society, its integrity and its unity, which is why it is inimical.
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08:49 PM on 05/16/2012
Only if you have NO logic at all.
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03:48 PM on 05/13/2012
"Here's the good news: You can be a racist in American society without being thrown in jail. The First Amendment applies to racists too. That's the end of the good news. Because the law powerfully intervenes (properly in the case of racism) to marginalize, stigmatize and repress racist people and especially racist institutions."

I had to read this twice because I can't believe someone ACTUALLY wrote this and expects to be taken seriously. Her argument is that she's not allowed to freely be a bigot and a homophobe because she will be marginalized etc. just like the racists (even though it's good that the racists are...). And that somehow that makes her and people like her a victim of prejudice. Unbelievable.
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01:21 AM on 05/18/2012
LGBT's are not a race of people they are a people who have fallen to the sin of the flesh(Drunks, Drug Addicts, Homosexuals, Etc.) and desire to change the law, because they believe it will make them feel better about the wrong choices they have made.
09:51 AM on 05/18/2012
Um, since ALL citizens have freedom of religous beliefs, can you make a non-religious argument against equaliity?
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10:46 AM on 05/18/2012
What you say here is absolute nonsense.  Keep your religion (a choice you've made) to yourself.