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What Does "Having it All" Mean for Men?

Posted: 07/16/2012 1:59 pm

While I have grumbled in private, I've largely avoided the "having it all" discussion because I find it so annoying. If I had it all, I'd be incapable of getting dressed, faced with so many clothing choices. But school principal of the elite Upper Canada College (UCC) Jim Power's piece in the Globe and Mail compelled me to respond.

He's not the first man to enter the discussion. And he's absolutely right -- men belong here. But I couldn't help feeling irked by his thanks to mommy bloggers (oh yeah, and five decades of feminists that preceded them) for getting the public conversation going. "But it's just not fair to count men out," he said. Whom precisely does he think has been counting them out?

Power says the role of educators is largely one of character development including teaching boys to step up at home and be involved as true partners. He considers framing the question in terms of gender a disservice to all. Again, he's right. But it's still framed in terms of gender because despite men taking on more, the lion's share of familial labour still falls to women. Yes, as Power says, it's "society's issue," not a woman's issue, but the burden of change has never been shared equally. Forbes recently released its 2012 Top 10 Best Parenting And Homemaking Websites for Women. Pretty much says it all.

It can be argued, as Power does, that society, the economy and a culture of work obsession that pays only lip-service to the balance between work and family life, is at fault. But the imbalance didn't evolve naturally like apes into humans or the vestigial appendix. It was driven by a zillion active choices -- most thoughtless, unenlightened and entrenched in an existing power structure.

UCC is one of the most prestigious private schools in Canada -- attended in good part by children of leaders of industry and lots of other stuff. I'm curious about the curricular details of "preparing young men for the rigours of fatherhood," and what percentage of the $30,575 per year tuition is going toward it.

I support teaching good parenting -- goodness knows we do next to nothing to prepare people for this critical role with the mammoth job description, but no interview necessary. Even for those who don't grow up to have children, these transferable skills would not be wasted.

The fathers Power meets talk about the pressure they're under -- how they badly want to find time to watch their child "master a new acrobatic trick," that they often experience a "tug at their hearts that they keep to themselves."

What about the other 99.99 per cent of parenting responsibilities? Many in the UCC community might have staff to do that work, but most of us don't.

"That child's joy at finally having your undivided attention," that Power mentions describes a reality for the majority of parents. But while most children compete for mom's attention with laundry, cooking, cleaning, grocery shopping and a full-time paid job -- when it comes to their dads, they compete with the job. That remains the division of labour in most heterosexual North American families.

While little girls may fantasize about marriage and children at far higher rates than boys (and it's worth considering the ideologies that feed those fantasies), rarely do they long to clean pee-stained toilet seats and poo-besmirched walls, launder barf-covered sheets at 3:00 a.m., cook six things on the off chance the kid will eat one of them. Only a masochist with no sense of smell would include those in his or her fantasy list. But traditionally, these tasks have fallen to 50 per cent of the population. Divesting parenting of its currently gendered roles is the goal. Change is coming, but it's slow.

I think it's great that Jim Power has written this piece, that he has given thought to the important role that nurturing will play in men's lives, and the need to start when they are boys. Power educates the children of the one per cent. While Anne Marie Slaughter, who counts herself among them, truly struggled with her choices, for most people having to juggle that kind of "all" will remain a fantasy.

The gains of feminism redefined "all" for women, and with it the game plan. But "all" has never needed to change for men. I'd argue that for women "all" means what women have plus what men have. For men "all" is what other men have.

We all need to redefine "all" and it will always include the good, the bad and the smelly.

 

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While I have grumbled in private, I've largely avoided the "having it all" discussion because I find it so annoying. If I had it all, I'd be incapable of getting dressed, faced with so many clothing c...
While I have grumbled in private, I've largely avoided the "having it all" discussion because I find it so annoying. If I had it all, I'd be incapable of getting dressed, faced with so many clothing c...
 
 
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10:05 PM on 07/17/2012
What Power speaks about is not parenting, just self indulgent fathers. So daddy got a new sports car, or kid, but doesn't have time to enjoy it, let's pity him. Sadly, many mothers are just as self indulgent, lost in their love of having children rather than actually the love of their children. It's a problem all around.
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Glass Cannon
Let every eye negotiate for itself.
05:24 PM on 07/17/2012
I pay for everything. My wife cares for the home and children 75% of the time. I would love to switch places with her, but according to her I'm doing "the man's job" so I bide my time until I can negotiate a real 50/50 split on everything. Or divorce and force the issue.
01:02 PM on 07/18/2012
When I was married, I found the opposite. After the birth of our second child, my husband pushed me into returning to work when she was just a few months old. We hired a sitter and I did. I found that working away from home made me appreciate my kids all the more when I came home, although my husband refused to pitch in and I often times kept going until 11:00 pm just ot keep up. Anyhoo, eventually he must have sensed my growing dissatisfaction with the situation and sabotaged our childcare. I divorced him eventually anyway - there were other problems - but it would have been nice if my husband had taken some fo the responsibility. I'm sure our kids would have liked that too.
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Whistlejackett
Hey stop doing that
04:55 AM on 07/17/2012
Men definitely do not want it all, and women (who want it all) seem to not understand that they do get it all. They just don't like all that they get. You have to want less, in order to be equal to a man. If you want to be equal then stop doing what you don't have to do. You don't have to have babies, especially since having them is the primary complaint. Machines do most of the work, where knob turning and switch flipping seem to be the only education you need these days to be a home maker, male or female. (nothing to do with child rearing)

Another advantage that women seem to have that men don't is complaining. Why have children then complain that you want help? If you can't suppress your urge to have babies then don't have them, adopt older children, as it isn't fair to the babies, and that goes for the men also. If your man isn't complaining then dump him, don't even consider him as a mate no matter how cute or rich he is. Women have it all, all of the time, they just don't know how to manage all that they have.

Little girls have fantasies about marriage and babies, encouraged by ideologies? Little girls need to have a support system because the are feminine, they have ovaries and they will kill to take care of their children, when they grow up. Don't strip them of their femininity.
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Maria Korovessis Sewell
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11:55 PM on 07/16/2012
"The gains of feminism redefined "all" for women, and with it the game plan. But "all" has never needed to change for men. I'd argue that for women "all" means what women have plus what men have. For men "all" is what other men have. "

Great point - says it all.
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Whistlejackett
Hey stop doing that
05:18 AM on 07/17/2012
Resist the urge to have babies and adopt older ones.
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Maria Korovessis Sewell
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08:56 AM on 07/17/2012
Too old for either option... I just thought it was a great point about how differently we define 'having it all'.
01:40 PM on 07/17/2012
Thank you Whistlejacket for providing an opportunity to share information with anyone who chances upon this comment without realizing what an ignorant statement you've just made, and reiterated, about adoption.

Adopting older children is not easier. Children who have lived years of their lives without parents, or have been taken from people who are unable to parent them, are traumatized. It takes love and patience to break down the barriers and build a trusting relationship with an older child who has never been given reason to trust.

Thousands of older children in Canada are waiting for adoption. Some did not become available for adoption until they were older. Many come in sibling groups. Many have disabilities. Some just don't have the "right" skin colour. Often, they have a mix of needs. Regardless, older children do not have fewer needs than babies. They just have different needs.

I'd suggest that in future you resist the urge to share your ignorance, but I'd rather thank you for providing an opportunity to allow anyone who lost valuable seconds of their lives reading your comment to learn something useful, so their time doesn't turn out to be a complete waste, after all.
09:21 PM on 07/16/2012
I don't know what world your living in, but I do know that my parents split household chores and so did the parents of most of my friends. I say most because not all of them had 2 parents. None of my male friends, married or otherwise, expect to have a wife that does everything around the house, we all expect to do our part around the house.

Also, there is a large lack of respect for the work that men have always done around the house, such as shoveling, lawn care, and mechanical fixes around the house. In the last several years my dad laid a patio, built a shed, painted and dealt with multiple care problems, but that doesn't make the national news.

This "having it all" debate is pretty stupid when you come down to it anyways, as none of us can have it all. If we crave work/life balance then we will sacrifice making it to the top at work and if we crave making it to the top then we will sacrifice our personal life. Both men and women make these decisions everyday and at the end of the day the choice is a personal one that does not come down to what sex organs we have. So stop trying to face the sexes off against each other and start trying to get them to work together to improve everyone's work/life balance!
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09:21 AM on 07/17/2012
Amen. Thank you Cookie87. You should be writing a blog here about this topic.
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Runey
religion is why we can't have nice things.
04:27 AM on 07/18/2012
Fanned. Succinctly put Cookie87.
09:17 PM on 07/16/2012
The trick to having it "all" is figuring out what it is. So many people just want all. Always something else, something more. It takes time and a lot of thought to realize what the all is that you want or need. People are going crazy trying to get what they think they just MUST have. When they get it, often it isn't what they really wanted or needed, it is just what they were sold. It took a long time for me to slow down on getting more, spending more time with what I have, and taking the time to think out what I do not want or need. I still want lots of things. But now I think about why I don't need them.
08:25 PM on 07/16/2012
There is not much to say beyond pointing out that this "article" is a rambling, incoherent mess (including its misuse of "whom"). Does the author have the faintest idea what she is trying to communicate? Was an editor ever involved?
07:02 PM on 07/16/2012
I still think that 'having it all' is the wrong idea. Mostly, I want a more equitable division of household labour, especially given that I am also working outside of the home for an equitable number of hours. http://dirtyrottenparenting.com/2012/06/27/i-want-to-have-it-all-too/
02:33 AM on 07/17/2012
The division of household labour is between you and your man. I know I do my part in my house.
06:57 PM on 07/16/2012
"But traditionally, these tasks have fallen to 50 per cent of the population. Divesting parenting of its currently gendered roles is the goal. Change is coming, but it's slow."

I wonder how true the tradition roles still play in a family with Mom and Dad both working full time. Obviously giving a small sample size here , but in my family/peer/friend group, late 30's married, kids, both parents working, I just don't see it any more. Not a one of my buddies would think he could get away with coming home from work, cracking a beer and expecting his spouse to have supper on the table the laundry done and take care of the kids while he sits on the deck having his beer. My wife would let me get away with that for oh as long as it took her to kick me in the butt.

I think for many my age and younger, the roles are much more blurred (or maybe harmonized is a better word).
01:30 AM on 07/17/2012
I agree that our generation (I'm also in my 30's) is more sensitive to the division of household chores, but that consistently, the division is not 50/50. An example: a man has to work a 60 hour work week for a bit. The women of the household picks up his chores because, well, he doesn't have time. She works the same amount of hours, but he'll only do a little bit more, certainly not the full half of what she was doing.*

Again, there's been some major progress in just one generation, but there's still room to grow.

*Not always true, just giving an example that I've lived and that I've seen happen.
11:18 AM on 07/17/2012
There has to be give in take in any true partnership though. For example, for 1 work week a month, my job as a sales rep takes me on the road out of town to see customers. Obviously during that week, my wife is subjected to a much higher work load on the home front in addition to the hours she works outside the home. Conversely, the other 3 weeks of the month I take on a bigger share of the load. I cook for the family every meal and help out with other house hold chores, picking the kids up from what seems like innumerable after school and weekend activities etc etc. I also make sure she gets and TAKES "time out with the girls."

We are certainly not alone in how we handle the division of labour as it were. As I said, our married friends and siblings seem to handle it very similar, excluding those who have made the choice to have one parent, admittedly the mother, be a stay at home parent.

Now, we as a peer group are not big shot execs or CEOs or what have you. We don't have our kids in $30,000 a year prep schools like the article the author here is citing. We are middle class people who need both parents working to provide for our families the life we want to.
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religion is why we can't have nice things.
04:29 AM on 07/18/2012
just like paying the bills when one works most of the time, is divided anywhere near 50/50.
02:38 AM on 07/17/2012
You are disturbing a feminist's worldview by pointing out how real relationships work.