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Do You Want to Pay $9,000 for Someone Else's Pension?

Posted: 09/14/2012 11:17 am

In my last column, I made the case for Pooled Registered Pension Plans (PRPPs). It's important that Canadians save money for retirement, but unsustainable public sector pension plans could put all of us in the poorhouse if politicians don't get serious about fixing them. Let me put the problem in perspective.

Imagine it's March, 2013 and you discover to your considerable horror that you must pay the government $9,000 in addition to the taxes you normally fork over. If every other Canadian made the same discovery, it's no small exaggeration to suggest there would be riots in the streets and governments would quickly find themselves out of office.

Sounds pretty far-fetched, doesn't it? Well, you and I, and every other man, woman and child in Canada are each on the hook for an extra $9,000 to pay for the $300 billion (or more) in promises to public sector pension plans that governments don't have the money to pay. That's according to an excellent report, Canada's Hidden Unfunded Public Sector Pension Liabilities, by CFIB's chief economist, Ted Mallett.

The shortfall exists even though public sector employers (meaning taxpayers) injected an extra $1.27-billion per year into these plans between 2001 and 2010 and is on top of the large amounts governments and public sector workers are already paying towards their pensions.

If you find that scary, you may wish to avoid Ted's follow-up report, Public Sector Pensions: a Runaway Train? While private sector pension plan membership has remained flat, there were 3.14-million Canadians enrolled in public sector pension plans as of last year. That's an increase of 26.6 per cent since 2001 -- more than double the rate of growth in total private sector employment.

In other words, there are more government employees than there were a decade ago, so the pension problem has only become more unmanageable. Canadians could face a bleak future of higher taxes and reduced government services unless action is taken, and soon. Think this can't happen? Have a look at what is happening in Europe and the U.S. Canadian governments are already starting to struggle with these costs. The City of Montreal's pension plan now eats up 13 per cent of its operating budget, which is even more than the amount dedicated to public transit!

Clearly, the public sector pension system is financially unsustainable. It's also grossly unfair, when you consider:
• Similar jobs in public sector employees are paid $19 billion more than if they were paid at private sector norms;
• The average public sector employee retires at 61 with full benefits, while the average private sector worker waits until 63 (the average retirement age for self-employed Canadians is 66); and
• You and I as taxpayers contribute two dollars for every dollar a federal public sector worker contributes to his or her pension.

Not surprisingly, union leaders don't see a problem with this situation. Heck, they argue the government should fix the pension gap by forcing employers to provide workers with similar pension benefits to the ones they enjoy. It sounds nice until you remember that Canadians have yet to hear any union boss explain which pot of gold Canadian small business owners will find to help pay for these expanded costs.

All of this begs the question: how do Canadians prevent a financial catastrophe from taking place? CFIB has been pretty clear about the steps that need to be taken. Governments have to get serious about reining in their costs. That means bringing public sector wages back in line with private sector norms, pushing back the age at which full pension benefits are earned, and moving from a "defined benefit" to a "defined contribution" approach to pension entitlements.

None of this means that current retirees or civil servants close to retirement should have their benefits cut, but if we don't start soon, the country will be in big trouble. The federal government and some provinces are beginning to realize the size and scope of this problem, but so much more needs to be done.

Can we win this fight? You bet we can.

Dan Kelly is President of the Canadian Federation of Independent Business (CFIB). Learn more about CFIB at www.cfib.ca.

 
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In my last column, I made the case for Pooled Registered Pension Plans (PRPPs). It's important that Canadians save money for retirement, but unsustainable public sector pension plans could put all of ...
In my last column, I made the case for Pooled Registered Pension Plans (PRPPs). It's important that Canadians save money for retirement, but unsustainable public sector pension plans could put all of ...
 
 
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alty53
Retired high school physics teacher
03:54 PM on 09/22/2012
Given a choice to fun public workers or fund corporate welfare, I'm with the workers.....Btw......the Canadian tax system favors Capitol over labour.......either level the playing field or reverse the favorites.......those are the real issues!
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haselcheck
Had enuff...Get active....
12:37 PM on 09/18/2012
Why not ????

Our government already steals money from us to fund the Public Services (including overpaid teachers) and our Federal Politicians......

When will the corruption and theft end ???
04:03 PM on 09/17/2012
The real problem is that a lot of these pension plans depend on being invested in the market, as well as contributions from members. So the unfunded liability may or may not be a problem - depending on how the economy grows and not all participants will get to use them - (ie. they may not live as long etc). But I think we're in for a long period of little or no growth. This, not just due to the world economy and overspending on the part of individuals and governemts, but also the high cost of oil - which will put the brakes on the economy, and will not go down anytime soon. There will be a few years of de-leveraging and people paying down debts and trying to save more. Since so much of the economy is consumer driven things will be slow for a while.

But speaking as a small business owner, in business for 30 years and having employed a number of people over that time and received nothing from the govt. I don't think taxpayers should contribute to public sector pensions anymore than I would expect them to pay for mine.
02:19 AM on 09/15/2012
Ah the CFIB. Their membership list is secret of course. Private Information you know. Their members are the same ones that greet you when you walk in their businesses and they say " How can I help you sir ?" Well first of all as a former public servant you can begin by not stabbing your public servant customers in the back trying to put them out of work and reducing their incomes. Incomes they use to spend in your businesses !!

In any case the CFIB is the main reason I shop for almost all my stuff in the USA even when the savings are small by comparison. Why should I support backstabbers like CFIB businesses with my money ?
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Gnomish
ego doctus ignarus
11:57 PM on 09/14/2012
Public sector obviously including all politicians.
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11:03 PM on 09/14/2012
And I thought that the entire salary for public servants was paid by the taxpayer. You mean the government actually generates money like a business? I thought the government only facilitated businessmen to make money by providing them the infrastructure. In the old days, a king could go around plundering the neighbouring countries to generate wealth. Now everything, including royal spending habits of ministers to the inadequate cleaning supplies in hospitals is paid for by the taxpayer.

Would the CFIB even exist without the support of the various government departments they disparage?
10:28 PM on 09/14/2012
I pay so that your dad can receive a pension, my kids will pay so that you can receive a pension. I'm fine with this.

Society is better off because of this.
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Center of the storm
07:48 PM on 09/14/2012
Rein in spending...can we start with the F35's that don't fly?
01:24 PM on 09/17/2012
We will need at least one of these every year for the next 25 years. See you in Mexico ;)
07:27 PM on 09/14/2012
That money was promised as a condition for work. Taking it away is wage theft and would be default also. Perhaps the bondholders also should be told to take a hike.
03:36 PM on 09/17/2012
I guess it's also 'wage theft' when a private sector company fails and lays off employees, which is all too common in my line of work (the printing business) but generally public sector workers have greater job security, and private sector workers usually don't even have a pension plan, much less a defined benefit plan. So there's hardly any sympathy from the private sector - when you hear the gov't wants to stop people from banking their unused 20 sickdays per year and cashing out at the end. With $120+ billion the Ont. Teachers pension plan is like a small country, and should be self-funding with contributions from teachers only. Take taxpayers our of it.
07:12 PM on 09/14/2012
canadian federation of independent business -------is a lobby company -----mouthpieces for businesses

which companies do they represent ---?????

take everything they say with a grain of salt
10:45 PM on 09/14/2012
They represent my company... and I have one employee. Who doesn't have a fat taxpayer funded pension plan.

Who pays for yours?
07:00 PM on 09/15/2012
i had thirty employees and i spoke for myself
04:08 PM on 09/17/2012
yup, and I have two employees. In business for 30 years and employed many people over that time, the only pension I will have is what I've been able to save, which is not much and I don't expect other taxpayers to contribute to mine, so why should they expect me to contribute to theirs. There is also greater job security, and loads of other benefits, that don't exist in the private sector - yet public sector workers are usually the biggest whiners. (And I've worked in the public sector too. My first job at the UofW printshop, my supervisor would spend an afternoon each week at the movies).
01:28 PM on 09/17/2012
This is a very real problem. What's even worse is that you won't be able to count on the younger generation to pay for it. One of the best public pension plans in Canada (Ontario Teachers) has a massive pension liability (and it's one of the best).

I can hardly wait until the government introduces means testing for OAS and CPP and charges 75% tax on RRSP withdrawls. Plus 25% HST. And that is after trimming back the pension payouts. If you're over the poverty line get ready to pay.
07:37 PM on 09/17/2012
or we could just grow the economy and increase revenues
georgee2
My Canada Includes Everyone
04:45 PM on 09/14/2012
This is the organization that likes to restrain minimum wages and even introduce two tier minimum wages and never stop whining about the public service. Canada has one of the finest civil services on the planet. Lets pay them and keep them. When I need help from the public servants they have always been very efficient and friendly.
04:12 PM on 09/14/2012
How is this for an example - a college employee runs a stand alone self financing department. His pension twenty years ago when he wanted to retire would have been twelve thousand a year. It would never ever have gone up.
02:45 PM on 09/14/2012
It appears as though this is part CFIBs half truth campaign against pub sector pensions. CD Howe Institute joined in - CDH is hardly a bastion of independent thinking.

There is a great article (unlike biased one here)
here: www.benefitscanada.com/pensions/db/the-war-on-public-sector-pensions-24482

"Similar jobs in pub sector employees are paid $19 billion more than if they were paid at priv sector norms;"
Recent read a study that similar jobs in priv vs pub sectors is almost exactly even - interesting how your #’s showed $19B more....

"You and I … contribute two dollars for every dollar a federal public sector worker…."

This must be special tory math. Pretty sure that all federal public workers pay taxes as well. Which would make the math as follows: We contribute $2 & they contribute $3 - results in quite a different ratio.

Seems to me that there is an all out assault on unions/Gov't workers/teachers lately similar to those in the US.

I don't want to pay extra taxes nor do I want unfair pensions for pub workers - but that doesn't mean they don't deserve a fair pension. If we're attacking pensions, perhaps we start with members of Parl. in both the fed & prov legislatures.

What be more of an idea is supporting the idea that all businesses need to start funding pensions for their workers.

Seems more "articles" on HP are quite self serving in nature & seem ridiculously close to advertizing
05:00 PM on 09/14/2012
Very true, these are the types pieces you get when you refuse to pay people to actually provide content.
01:38 PM on 09/17/2012
I see where you are coming from but look at it another way. Who pays the $300 billion that will be required to meet the pension obligations?

And before you discount the 3 billion, take note that many private sector pension funds are also in trouble (with unfunded liability) and that many Canadians are not bothering to save for their retirement.

Who will pay is an honest question. How much will it cost "me" is going to make people more nervous as the boomers move to retirement (peaking around 2023). IMHO retired people will end up paying for the bulk of this problem.
01:50 PM on 09/17/2012
Those are all reasonable questions but this group has skewed the analysis to paint a particularly unfavourable picture. Unbiased analysis shows that the sky is quite falling. That's not to say adjustments shouldn't be made, just made with consideration & involvement from akll sides. The manner in which this article was written & misleading information suggests otherwise. I would argue that CFIB is merely thinking about its members' interests & is all about lowering taxes.