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Go Ahead and Argue With Me, but Seriously...

Posted: 12/20/11 03:47 PM ET


"I don't want to debate the merits of the Occupy movement; it's not my area of expertise," says Huffpost contributor Josh Scheinert in a critique of my critique of Time's "Person of the Year" cover. It's an odd thing to say considering the subject matter of my piece is the one thing he doesn't want to argue. But of course, Scheinert can assume I didn't read the article merely because I didn't side with him.

Rather, the core of Scheinert's argument seems to lie within the fact that the magazine's "Person of the Year " is not necessarily that year's hero, but the most influential. Thank you. I was scratching my head as to why Hitler made the cover in 1938, and Stalin in 1939, and then again in 1942. But Scheinert's sole argument still doesn't hold. The Occupy Movement protesters still have no business being a part of "Person of the Year."

Egyptian protesters are influential. Libyan protesters are influential. Syrians are likely to be. We see this because, at least in the case of the former two, they have actually accomplished something-- something that represents a societal shift in the history of their nations' politics. So yes, please do throw them on the cover--they deserve it.

But the protesters walking between the skyscrapers on Wall Street and Bay Street are not part of this group. They are not influential, they have not accomplished anything except for striving time and time again to fill out the stereotypes that the right-wing media drew for them back in October, and to fill up Twitter feeds with incessant slogans and the now-desperate-seeming message of goodwill. Libyan rebel forces got Gaddafi out, they got rid of a depraved, despot dictator. Occupy Wall Street engaged in a drum circle.

Further, the Occupiers' presence in North America is exaggerated. It's easy to think something is much bigger than it really is when people on Facebook and Twitter won't stop talking about it. The sentiment is that people want Occupy to be more successful than it really is, especially the younger generation who, for the past several years, have been designated as Generation Y ("[One] click from the very end of the alphabet," as Kurt Vonnegut might say). They have been searching for something to help give shape to their otherwise vaporous form. But this desperation has led to a lack of conciseness, and at best, the rise of the armchair activist. This isn't influence.

Of course, the types of protests that are happening around the world are all different. And the way in which they are being conducted and reacted to are even more unique. UC Berkeley has a pepper-spraying officer. X has tanks rolling through Y Square as troops begin to fire on innocent civilians. This is not meant to diminish the protests in America; this is to bring light to the impact they've had, and furthermore, to observe the "big picture" as Scheinert puts it, and look at what's happening on Wall Street from a more critical perspective.

Look at the impact protests in the Middle East have had on the world. Now take a look at Occupy. What does the latter have to show but incessant claims of police "brutality" (remember, perspective here--Time's throwing them in with people who rebelled and ousted Gaddafi), and evictions from parks which now look like barren wastelands?

 

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woodshoe
MAYDAY! BastaYA!
10:08 PM on 12/28/2011
seriously.

the conflation of OWS protesters and those of the arab spring is apt.
(and it is a comparison which was not lost on the organizers from tahir who quite intentionally visited OWS btw)

perhaps if you find their resistance so differently admirable, you might appreciate some links;

"Egyptian Activist Asmaa Mahfouz Speaks at Occupy Wall Street "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbXE3ZaZwXk
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_RzZOr5eKw

neither of the respective activist groups has any illusion that they do not face very different adversaries, very different risks, very different capture mechanisms.

the protections enjoyed by the US protestor are not gifts presented by benevolent power.. they were each -right by right- wrenched from the authoritarian grips of the very same political elements faced elsewhere

tahir square is not ows,.. but you can find some tahir in chicago 1886; the haymarket affair.
syria is not zucotti.. but there was plenty of syria at kent state, plenty at the ludlow massacre.
(and don't forget all of the saddam in cointelpro)

both groups share a word; "solidarity"
a word they share with a billion ghosts.

i may not know tahir square.
but i'm sure i saw joe hill there.
07:47 PM on 12/21/2011
The people that agree with you like to put other people in boxes and that is what the Occupy movement is trying to change. Categorizing, labeling, analyzing issues to death is what is so danged annoying about those people who sit back, sip their Cabernet and type incessantly on blogs while watching humanity march by with banners that decry greed and actually, actually put their money or lack thereof, where their feet are. In case you haven't noticed they are occupying your grandma's house because she got foreclosed on and they are going to stay there until the banks back off and actually negotiate an agreement to keep her safe and warm through the cold winter. Oh but you have to write another article...sorry, we'll tiptoe out of the room and leave you to it.,
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Hjorlejf
06:19 PM on 12/21/2011
Well of course they aren't going to show an intelligent Wall Street protester on the news. The mainstream media is controlled by the very same corrupt people that are being protested against. Thus they have put a lot of effort into making OWS protesters out to be a bunch of jobless hippies without a clue. Why? Because the movement threatens their ability to corrupt the political system.

I agree that in general these people should not be grouped into the same category as protesters in Egypt, but the fact remains that the Wall Street protest is more than valid and that the author of the article clearly has no clue as to the aims of the movement, apparently having been following only Fox News.
03:41 PM on 12/21/2011
Given your snarky attitude regarding "Occupiers" and the "artsy" crowd I'm surprised you have such a thin skin.
01:09 PM on 12/21/2011
Oh, those "incessant claims of police brutality".

How self-centered of them.
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okgranny
Egalitarian by birth
12:18 PM on 12/21/2011
There is not much point arguing with someone who is basically saying, "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up".
10:34 AM on 12/21/2011
I fully agree with you. The occupy movement has not been able to consolidate in a goal, they seem to be protesting for the sake of protesting. Each person that gets interviewed has a vague idea of why they are there but can't really articulate what they want to accomplish. The movement lacks purpose and it's just a reflection of how this generation is just angry because things are not as their parents told them they would be. They finished school and $100K a year job offers did not start pouring on them. That's only natural, being wealthy these days takes more effort and more education but it's still possible. They complain about corporations, about people playing the market to make big profits but what they are not considering is that nobody is stopping them from getting educated and also playing the market.
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Hjorlejf
06:21 PM on 12/21/2011
They have had clearly stated goals from the outset. The view that you are spreading is one that was put into your head by the mainstream media because they don't want the public to understand what the movement is about. They devalue the movement out of fear. Make no mistake, you have not seen the last of OWS.
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09:51 AM on 12/21/2011
The Occupy movement managed to accomplish one very important service. They showed how little the majority of Americans care about Wall St and Bankers crashing the economy for this and the next generation. That in itself is a priceless lesson.