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Why Do Men Still Pay for Dates?

Posted: 01/19/2013 7:06 am

On January 11, the New York Times published an article by Alex Williams entitled "The end of courtship." The article attempts to examine the new "hookup culture" which Williams claims has replaced traditional dates. According to Williams, men now take women along to less traditional activities like concerts as opposed to taking them out on dates. He adds that technology has reduced the amount of courage needed to begin this courting process.

Williams seems to place the blame for this phenomenon (as he portrays it in a negative light) almost solely on the backs of male twenty-somethings. As someone who is approaching the demographic Williams focuses his ire on, I do not wish to defend myself by claiming that I am an exception to Williams' argument. Instead, I'd like to point out that while the changes Williams notes seem to be very real, the similarities between my generation and the past, which he implicitly upholds, are far more troubling.

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  • Making The First Move

    <strong>BY THE NUMBERS:</strong> According to the survey, 63 per cent of women have asked men out on the first date. <br><strong>SHOULD YOU?</strong> <a href="http://www.yourdatecoach.com/" target="_hplink">Dating coach Christine Hart </a>says about 10 years ago, this would never be the case but these days women shouldn't be afraid to make the first move. "We have found a middle ground. If you're asking a man out in a confident and direct way, men are becoming more open to it."

  • Political Preferences

    <strong>BY THE NUMBERS:</strong> According to the survey, 85 per cent of women have dated someone outside of their political beliefs.<br><strong>SHOULD YOU?</strong> To keep conversations interesting, why wouldn't you? Hart says if you are dating someone who has different political values, make sure you communicate your values within the first few dates. "If you can focus more on where you agree, you could find yourself having the same moral values and ethics." Also, avoid anyone who doesn't respect your beliefs.

  • Healthy Number Of Dates

    <strong>BY THE NUMBERS:</strong> According to the survey, 70 per cent of Canadians have gone on two or more dates in the last year.<br><strong>SHOULD YOU?</strong> "I think this is a great average," Hart says. If you're looking to get back into the dating scene, Hart says coffee dates are easy ways to get back into the game -- don't wait around for a year for dates to happen.

  • Kissing On The First Date

    <strong>BY THE NUMBERS:</strong> According to the survey, 44 per cent of Canadians wait until the second date to lock lips.<br><strong>SHOULD YOU?</strong> "If there is any kissing on the first date, it should be on the cheek," Hart says. Locking lips on the second date is fine -- often couples find themselves short on time during their first date, which leads to awkwardness during a goodbye kiss at the end of the night, Hart says.

  • Kissing...And Telling

    <strong>BY THE NUMBERS:</strong> According to the survey, 89 per cent of Canadians admitted to telling someone else about their dates.<br><strong>SHOULD YOU?</strong> Make sure you have a few close friends you're willing to share secrets with -- a best friend or a family member for example. "You don't want to go to work and tell five people about your date, you're going to get a mix of opinions that can confuse you," Hart says.

  • Love At First Sight

    <strong>BY THE NUMBERS:</strong> According to the survey, 66 per cent of Canadians believe in love at first sight.<br><strong>SHOULD YOU?</strong> Well, this one is tricky. Some people do and some people don't Hart says, but more importantly, never let a bad date get you down. "Don't worry if it isn't love at first sight, sometimes you need at least four dates until you to know someone," she says.

  • Moving In...Too Soon?

    <strong>BY THE NUMBERS:</strong> According to the survey, 31 per cent of Canadians would move in with their partners after less than one year of dating.<br><strong>SHOULD YOU?</strong> "This is a nice low number. I think you need to know somebody through four seasons before you start sharing places," Hart says.

  • Split The Bills

    <strong>BY THE NUMBERS:</strong> According to the survey, 12 per cent of Canadian women say they would never pay for the bill.<br><strong>SHOULD YOU?</strong> Never pay? You want to be in a relationship right? Even if you want your partner to pay for the first date, Hart says being in a partnership is communicating to one another -- and offering to pay for a meal or plan a date is always a nice gesture.


Men may take women out on different sorts of dates than they previously did, but the expectation that men be the ones to do this largely remains. Williams illustrates this as he states "Dinner at a romantic new bistro? Forget it. Women in their 20s these days are lucky to get a last-minute text to tag along." The idea of men being solely responsible for leading or initiating the dating process renders women as passive spectators whose job it is to merely decide if they like the men who approach them enough to sleep with them. Those who dare initiate the process might be mocked or labelled as sluts. This norm does not deserve to continue to be celebrated.

Additionally, Williams notes that a "changing economic power dynamic between the genders" has "complicated" the old dating world. This dynamic, if it exists at all, should not be over emphasized. Men still earn overwhelmingly more than women, both in general, and for similar jobs. They also still benefit from deeply patriarchal institutions and cultural practices.

Yet if this supposed economic shift does complicate the dating world, it is a much needed complication. Slowly (far too slowly, and in nowhere near enough cases) the socially constructed elements of gender roles, which were once deemed natural, have begun to be peeled away. Yet when it comes to dating, many men are expected to pay for dates, both by some women, and more commonly, by themselves.

Men paying for women on dates because they enjoy their company, and view it as a kind gesture, is not an issue. The issue is that some men still pay for women simply because they are women, and the men would feel emasculated if they did not. If gender roles are to be truly erased, these kind of complications, which Williams notes, should be embraced. Perhaps these complications imply that old roles are being abandoned, while new, more egalitarian ones, are slowly being formed.

Overall, Williams' article fits into a broader narrative which seeks to mourn the supposed death of traditional relationship structures (think marriage, monogamy, etc) in Western society. These fossils of romance do not deserve to be romanticized. Therefore, while all change is not necessarily progress, the shift away from older structures should be happily embraced if it can manage to solve the serious power imbalances of its predecessors.

 

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On January 11, the New York Times published an article by Alex Williams entitled "The end of courtship." The article attempts to examine the new "hookup culture" which Williams claims has replaced tra...
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BarryMayor
08:40 AM on 02/10/2013
If she's a lady, I have no problem in paying in full. However, if she's a feminist, I would fully expect her to pay for whatever she ordered, including tax and tip. She would know up front where we were going, and would no doubt fully expect to pay - if she truly is a feminist.

If she balked at paying for her own food and drink, I would go ahead and pay it but never call her again, as I would then know that she's a faux feminist, which is the worst kind. The kind that is only a feminist when it suits her, when she can demean and degrade men. But, when it comes time to prove that she's about equality, suddenly, she is cool with traditional gender roles.

On the other hand, I have no problem paying fully when I go out with ladies. I'm fine with the gender role traditions, as long as they're consistently applied.
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06:06 PM on 01/21/2013
Every Man/Woman has his/her price...and if it's the cost of dinner, then it's pretty low.
02:47 PM on 01/21/2013
Men pay for the expectation that sexual access may at some point be granted. Like a kind of pre-access fee. Marriage is where payment mainly by the male to the female becomes permanent feature of the relationship. Like all things for a young man this is a learning experience. If sex is what one wants there are much cheaper ways to get it.
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11:45 AM on 01/21/2013
If I ask her out it is my treat. If she asks me out I have no problem with her paying because it was her invitation. At least that was the way I felt 40 years ago... before I got married. If you think it is weird having your date pay just wait for the weirdness when your children start picking up the bill.
And as I said I never thought that paying for a movie meant that somehow I was buying sex. If that is the plan there is something seriously wrong with the relationship.
10:13 PM on 01/20/2013
Interesting article, however romance is a complicated issue and imo has nothing to do with equality or feminism and everything to do with the age old mating ritual and the search for a committed partner - which is what dates are. Dating as a teen, the rules are different because in most cases no one has money but when I was single woman and a man asked me out, I expected him to OFFER to pay for my dinner, because it was a gentlemanly thing to do. Whether or not I allowed him to do so, was entirely contingent on if I still found him romantically interesting by the end of the evening. This did not mean I was going to pay for the meal with my body but it did signal that I liked him and would like to know him better. If he felt the same and after we had gone out for a few times, I would treat him or we would split the cheque, but imo the power of the first date to set the tone of the relationship cannot be underestimated.
06:38 PM on 01/20/2013
Why do women still do the majority of household chores? The gender roles are still there, whether we like it or not.
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jf12
When I saw her I marveled greatly.
04:31 PM on 01/20/2013
If gender role erasure is truly the goal, then the end of courtship, and the end of dating, and the end of heterosexual activity is all part of the plan.
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10:16 PM on 01/20/2013
That's what some extremists want. To destroy the traditional family unit, sexual taboos and herald in a hedonistic genderless society where you're free to indulge in your every sexual fantasy.
10:02 AM on 01/21/2013
Sounds good to me!

As long as the participants are consenting adults, what possible objection can anyone raise to indulging in whatever sexual fantasies you have? There's nothing morally laudable in feeling repressed and frustrated your whole life.
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Andre Lieven
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03:33 PM on 01/20/2013
The writer of this article pulled off a sleight of hand play, with his claim that women earn substantially less than men do. Well, while that might be true, across ALL demographics, and across full lifetimes, the cheat in that claim is that it does NOT pertain to men and women in their dating primes, as in 20s and single/working. In THAT demo, women earn at least as much as men do, and in some cases (All comparisons being with equal education and experience) actually earn MORE than men do. So, this cuts away a leg of Davide's argument, that men's higher earnings suggest that men should pay for dates. Further, he MS-es the passive aggressive ploys used commonly by women to hint at dates while not actually asking the man out. This asker-pays thus *rewards* such dishonesty on so many women's parts, which is NOT a Good Thing in terms of establishing any kind of honest relationship. It's interesting and telling how so many feminists demand Equality(tm) UNTIL it might mean that a woman would have to open up HER wallet...
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Angelo Barovier
I came, I saw, I ate the cheese.
05:36 AM on 01/20/2013
If I ask her out, I'm paying. If she asks me out, she's paying. Depends on who's courting whom, really. If it's just a cool thing we both want to do, well, then the fun arguing starts but I still feel willing to pay. Despite all my high-mindedness about the whole thing, I have to admit still feeling the obligation to pick up the tab, regardless of what actually happens.

Guess I'm old enough to be a stick in the mud.
01:29 PM on 01/20/2013
Yes you are. My advice is whoever earns more should pay. If I ask a woman out and I am unemployed or underemployed, at the very least we are splitting the bill. Otherwise she is a golddigger and classless.
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Angelo Barovier
I came, I saw, I ate the cheese.
04:38 PM on 01/20/2013
Or, you could take her someplace affordable and quaint, like a hidden gem of a restaurant. Or even to offer to cook her dinner. There are many frugal ways you can pick up the tab.
02:15 AM on 01/20/2013
Men still pay for dates because they need to libate women with alcohol to get sex. This is not cheap, but the end result can be quite pleasant for both parties. So the Grand Tradition continues.
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10:50 PM on 01/19/2013
Men pay for the dates because women still generally control the sex. Women still like the parts of sexist chivalry that benefit them. Together, they make dinner movie and a baby.
01:30 PM on 01/20/2013
It is BECAUSE women control the sexual choice that men should NEVER pay for dates. Other than birthdays or other special occasions, I cannot remember when I paid for a woman. And I date A LOT.
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Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati
09:49 PM on 01/19/2013
"Why Do Men Still Pay for Dates?"

Men pay for dates because they want to get laid a whole lot more than most women do.

Anything else is excuses to hide that truth.

You'll understand that when you're older.
01:31 PM on 01/20/2013
But you CAN get laid without paying for dates. You DO know that, right? Impose a two date rule: sex on the first date is optional;; sex on the second date is mandatory., You'd be surprised as to how many women are ok with that bit of honesty.
08:12 PM on 01/19/2013
...because it's a nice thing to do? I never expected it, but it always happened on the first date. I'd always pull out my wallet, then 'catch the next one' which was always appreciated.

Politics aside (and I am a humanist - all for leveling the playing field, even if it means the appearance of unfairness to a particular group in the short term), we are still neurologically hardwired to ancient patterns around the rituals of mating. Men 'provide', women choose to accept, then provide back at greater cost to her physical being (progeny). Most animals, the more complex ones, perform this type of mating ritual. It's a give and take. It's when people start dumping their issues, biases and neuroses into the mix that things get screwed up.
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Imma Okay
03:15 AM on 01/20/2013
I usually pull out something else on the first date. Doesn't always work though.
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Denis OBrien
10:52 AM on 01/20/2013
apparently big bellies aren't the turn on they are advertised?
01:32 PM on 01/20/2013
If you are making near or more than what the man makes, YOU paying for the date "is a nice thing to do". Guys are always appreciative of that and are far more likely to stay with a woman who does.
07:13 PM on 01/20/2013
Unless of course you have not been forthcoming with the expected date 2 sex.
05:06 PM on 01/19/2013
Dating is a part of the process of finding a mate. When a man provides a woman with food, he demonstrates that he is a good potential mate - one who is able to provide support to the woman and their future offspring. Peel away the onion skin and there it is - people today are driven by the same biological imperatives as their ancestors. Will these vestigial customs cease in the not so distant future? Only time will tell.
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05:05 PM on 01/19/2013
ok. my independant woman 2cents make sense. if someone asks me to do something any contribution from me is out of sheer generosity. likewise, if i ask someone out i expect to pay. if the event is conspiritorial, ie. ooooh, hey lets go swimming with hungry sharks in florida/ yeah cool lets, its 50:50.
01:34 PM on 01/20/2013
So your company and time is worth money but his is not, right? Good to know. You are the woman I stay away from and warn other guys about.
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04:35 PM on 01/20/2013
you need to pick up on your reading.

ps. in what decade hence do you suppose men will offer to pick up babysitters tab?