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Judging Nycole Turmel: Shall We have a Stoning?

Posted: 08/03/11 01:45 PM ET

Nycole Turmel insists she's a federalist, even though she has been a member of two sovereigntist parties. The Ottawa commentariat is in a tizzy.

People in this town really should get a life.

Now, before someone accuses me of being a collaborateur, let me declare my bona fides as a good Canadian. I was born and raised in Alberta, spent six years in Victoria, and the last 25 living in Toronto, Ottawa and Aylmer, Quebec--yes, that Aylmer, political base of the tainted Turmel.

I have travelled back and forth across every part of Canada more times than most Ottawans have gone to their cottages. I fought in the constitutional wars, was married to a Québécoise, and raised my son as a francophone.

After all that, here's what I know about Quebec: It is what it is, an emotional and conflicted member of the Canadian family. But then, when it comes to identity, how many Canadians are not emotional and conflicted?

I can't count the number of ex-pats from Ontario, now living on the West Coast, who have proudly declared to me that, once they crossed the Rockies, they never looked back. If suddenly they had to choose between the Gulf Islands and the Maple Leaf, precious few would give up the mild climate and soaring firs to skate again on the Ottawa canal.

And speaking of emotional and conflicted, what of Alberta, my native province? How many times has the wild rose threatened to prick us 'Central Canadians' until we all bleed to death? I don't see why we can live with a prime minister who wanted to build a firewall around the oil patch and declare virtual independence from Ottawa, but we fear an interim leader of the opposition because she belonged to a separatist party -- the very same separatist party, recall, that formed Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition from 1993 to 1997.

Finally, has everyone in Ottawa forgotten how Brian Mulroney promised to bring Quebec into the constitutional fold with honour and dignity? It was none other than the dauphin of Quebec separatism, Rene Levesque, who called on Quebeckers to take le beau risque and support the Conservatives. When Mulroney won the biggest majority in Canadian history, practically everyone in his Quebec caucus was a Parti Québécois supporter. Many of them owed their victory to the PQ organization. No one seemed to think it was a bad thing then.

I have no desire to defend Nycole Turmel or to apologize for her political choices and loyalties, except to say that if being Canadian means being free of emotional conflicts around identity, we are a nation of traitors.

Unlike our neighbours to the south, Canadians have never found themselves in just one flag or a single hymn. Our brand of quiet patriotism is all about learning to live with our tangled roots. Those who wish we were more like the Americans really wish we were a different people -- purebreds rather than mongrels.

I disagree. This is a big and diverse country with a complex history. As a result, our loyalties are often divided and pull in different directions. Thus it is rightly said of les Québécois that no matter where they live, they never really leave Quebec. But this is hardly unique to les Québécois. The same could be said of Newfoundlanders -- and I admire them for it.

Far from being un-Canadian, I think a deep identification with some part of Canada is typically Canadian, as are the mixed loyalties that result. Our willingness as a people to accommodate this is a cultural strength, not a weakness, one that many countries around the world view with envy.

The Turmel case brings all this into sharp focus and forces us to make a choice about what we want Canada to be. On the one hand, we can treat Turmel's mixed loyalties as a sin and stone her for them. On the other hand, we can choose to see Canada differently, as a bold and unfinished experiment in living with diversity.

I say put down the stones and let Turmel go her way.

 
Nycole Turmel insists she's a federalist, even though she has been a member of two sovereigntist parties. The Ottawa commentariat is in a tizzy. People in this town really should get a life. Now, b...
Nycole Turmel insists she's a federalist, even though she has been a member of two sovereigntist parties. The Ottawa commentariat is in a tizzy. People in this town really should get a life. Now, b...
 
 
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sunnydee07
"Your micro-bio is empty". Yes, yes it is.
04:25 PM on 08/05/2011
Canadians have always been fairly tolerant of politicians who change their stripes - after all, they are human and have the capacity to grow and change like the rest of us (one would hope). I have, at different times, voted NDP and Liberal. You can attribute that to what you like -- maturity, idealism, whatever. I appreciate that we can vote as we like and not have to declare ourselves as "registered" anythings, like our American neighbours. I hope Turmel has changed due to her own philosophy rather than a craven attempt to curry favour or power. I would much rather judge her on her actions, rather than tarring her with the brush of a party she no longer belongs to.

As a voter, I am more concerned that once they've changed allegiances we get the opportunity to confirm that we still want them representing us, if we had a Liberal MP and now suddenly they are a Tory or NDP. A mandatory bye-election for floor crossers should weed out those who change allegiances purely as political expedience.
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09:53 AM on 08/05/2011
The best way to judge any politician is by what they are actually doing at any given time - and not by media hype trying to generate non issues to deflect away from real problems. Anyone can drape themselves in any "flag of convenience" at any time and many politicians have switched parties more often than many of us change houses. Professed love of Canada by itself alas doesn't translate into either honest or competent leadership and the local politics of bashing the feds is by no means limited to Quebec.
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ljkcan
I don't let geographical borders limit my thinking
10:26 PM on 08/03/2011
Excellent post.

I am an anglophone born and raised in Montreal, I married an allophone who immigrated to Canada and half of my family is francophone. I always say I suffer from an Identity crisis. I may live in Ontario now but my roots are in Quebec.

I am not going to judge Nycole Turmel after all we must remember Lucien Bouchard was a member of the Conservative party and one of Mulroney's best friends and he gave us the the Bloc. Bob Rae was the Premier of Ontario and in the NDP party now he is a die hard Liberal. Stephen Harper was with the Reform party before he became part of the Conservative Party.

So all Canadians can be loyal to where their roots are but still love their country.
09:21 AM on 08/04/2011
Great post ljkcan.
However, Harper did not 'become part of the Conservative party', rather, the Conservative Party became the Reform Party.
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ljkcan
I don't let geographical borders limit my thinking
11:17 AM on 08/04/2011
You are right and it was fairly easy because after Kim Campbell it was fairly easy to take over the conservative party.
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10:57 PM on 08/04/2011
Peter Mackay helped the Reform/Alliance Party eat up the Progressive Conservative Party after he said he would not.
10:13 AM on 08/04/2011
this is another great article, explaining it from a quebec perspective http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/supriya-dwivedi/nycole-turmel_b_917623.html
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ljkcan
I don't let geographical borders limit my thinking
11:10 AM on 08/04/2011
so true.
10:20 PM on 08/03/2011
I can't begin to get all worked up about Nycole Turmel's past. That can't be changed so let's all take her for what she is to-day. She is no longer a Bloq,she's now an NDP'er and interm leader of the party. Let's give her a chance and wish her all the best.
As for everyone getting all worked up about Quebec,the PQ and the Bloq,there in the past too. Now that I think about the whole province is in the past.Quebec is irrelevant to-day,politically,economically and ethically.That's a mouthful alright. After Elections Canada sets out 20 more ridings for Ontario and 12 more for BC and Alberta,Quebec loses its affect.Financially its like Ontario has a big deficit and it's infrastructure is terrible.And ethically,yes MaCleans had it right when it declared Quebec the most corrupt province in Canada.So with all that,let me repeat,do not get worked up about anything coming out of Quebec. The province peaked in 1967 and its been down hill ever since. Now that we are in the second inning of the 21st Century don't take your eyes off Newfoundland,Alberta and BC.the best is yet to happen.
11:08 AM on 08/04/2011
Jeez Leroy, enough with the Quebec trashing. The only reason why we are so concerned with what is happening with the leader of the NDP, is because they were voted in as the official opposition. And how did that happen? oh yeah, because practically ALL of quebec changed their voting record from Bloc to NDP.
Clearly you don't know much about provincial politics in Quebec either, because if you did, you would know that there isn't and NDP provincial riding, the leftist leaning party in quebec is the PQ, and is why there is that cross connections.

Take a look at this article posted by someone with the Quebec persepective:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/supriya-dwivedi/nycole-turmel_b_917623.html
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Skookum1
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11:46 AM on 08/04/2011
No, MacLean's DIDN'T have it right when it proclaimed Quebec the most corrupt province in the country. That's EASILY BC, for those in the know, but MacLean's is part of the national press cabal which has sheltered the BC Liberals from inspection/criticism
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09:38 PM on 08/03/2011
Oh who cares, its just about the money anyway.
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08:08 PM on 08/03/2011
The NDP over the years has had it easy. Being the third or fourth largest federal party, and few thinking that they ever had a chance of assuming power, they have not been scrutinized and critiqued the way the Liberals and Conservatives have.

They will find that as official opposition that will change, and every perceived flaw and discrepancy will be hauled into the light of public exposure.

Welcome to the majors.
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11:56 PM on 08/03/2011
Are you joking? The Canadian press has long seen the NDP as a "safe target." (Read MACLEAN'S magazine or THE NATIONAL POST.)
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Skookum1
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11:48 AM on 08/04/2011
LOL, buy another lollipop. The Conservatives have been SHIELDED from criticism and inspection of "every perceived flaw and discrepancy", except those flaws and discrepancies aren't "perceived", they're very real.
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08:02 PM on 08/03/2011
It's not a matter of passing judgment on Turmel. Doesn't interest me at all. The only important question is this:

Is someone who only last year was a member of a separatist party a suitable leader for the official opposition?
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FearlessFreep
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11:58 PM on 08/03/2011
The Bloc Quebecois has itself served as Canada's Official Opposition, and the sky didn't fall in.
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11:35 AM on 08/04/2011
I suspect that most Canadians thought that the BQ being designated the "loyal opposition" to be a travesty.
09:30 AM on 08/04/2011
BlackRabbit :
Is someone who only last year was a member of a separatist party a suitable leader for the official opposition­?

Yes.
This has been another episode of simple answers to ignorant, loaded, partisan questions where the person posing the question has already made up their closed, little mind.
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11:32 AM on 08/04/2011
Actually the question is simple, straightforward, and entirely pertinent. The fact that you can't discuss this without insults shows the weakness of your position.
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04:34 PM on 08/03/2011
A few months is an eternity in Canadian politics. Just after the election everyone was crowing about the marvelous NDP and Harper proclaimed the death of liberalism in Canada. Now that the wrapping is off of the 'NDP Gift' we received, we can see it's just a cheap knock off. Jack IS the party, beyond that, there is nothing. Bob Rae is the only opposition voice I've heard from since Jack's untimely departure. I voted NDP but never again. Just donated to the Liberal Party of Canada. They, at least, have some idea how to be an opposition and, more importantly, how to govern. We are essentially without a viable opposition right now. The Tories are laughing at this situation no doubt. They are free to do anything they want and THAT is bad for Canada. The rest of Canada will slowly look more and more like Alberta if there isn't SOMEONE to step up and challenge the Harpercons. Time will tell.
03:26 PM on 08/03/2011
If this were to happen with the Conservatives, would you then right an equally unbiased and unabashed paper on how we should not be so quick to judge??
I think not.
You're left turn signal is on.
09:33 AM on 08/04/2011
I agree with you when you say 'I think not'.
The rest of your post indicates that this is indeed the case.
11:34 AM on 08/04/2011
ZZZZIIIIIIIIING!!!
Fantastic and witty retort.
Factually accurate and argumentatively sound.
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dannyboy551
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01:57 PM on 08/03/2011
Agreed :-) I would also add that the Liberals shouldn't be criticizing anyone on this issue either - how many parties has Bob Rae belonged to?
03:01 PM on 08/03/2011
Nowhere in the article does it mention the Liberals. You're fighting a straw man by suggesting that the Liberals are hypocrites. This isn't about a moderate New Democrat turned left-wing Liberal. It's about someone who only a year ago was a member of a party that believes in splitting the country up. There's a big difference. And that's why not just Liberals, not just partisans from all parties, but everyone is criticizing her selection.
05:26 PM on 08/03/2011
Maxime Bernier was personal assistant to Bernard Landry. To be an employee to Bernard Landy, you had to swear an oath of fealty to a sovereignty Québec.

Does that mean Bernier should be punted out of the Tory caucus and hanged for daring to associate with sovereigntists? The bottom line is that most Quebeckers are nationalists, and that most Quebeckers conceive of the federation in a way that is different than Trudeau did. That isn't a bad thing at all.

Most of the outrage by Anglo media is thinly veiled francophone bashing. It's not right, it's not justified, and it's not healthy for the federation. Québec is still apart of Canada, and the sooner people start recognizing that and treating politicians with ideas different from their own with respect, the better off all of us will be.
06:04 PM on 08/03/2011
Ok let's talk Tory.....remember that former cabinet minister of Brian Mulroney's...what was his name......Lucien Bouchard...

you think he just "suddenly" turned separatist after Meech Lake.....along with the Quebec caucus.

what about what's her name Belinda Stronach...left the Tories and her boyfriend to become a Liberal...

and so on......

I'm not thrilled that the NDP (who I voted for) didn't maybe vet this lady a little more closely when they chose her to sub for Layton (really dudes....you ought to know this)
but I'm not going to treat her like some 5th Columnist from la Belle Province either.

Or is the suggestion that no one ever ever ought to leave a party once they join it
01:59 PM on 08/04/2011
more like jean lapierre....http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/supriya-dwivedi/nycole-turmel_b_917623.html