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Occupy Conservatism

Posted: 11/09/11 09:01 AM ET

The sane Burkean impulse when it comes to the Occupy movement is nervousness (in anticipation of Terror). If there were the slightest possibility of these protests resulting in actual regime change, believe me: I would be standing at the barricades with the Tea Party, polishing my retro musket. The chances of this, however, are nil. Occupy Wall Street is not going to kindle a revolution. The reason is not a lack of means -- and they do lack the means. The reason is that most of the protestors are simply not revolutionaries.

Drum circles are irritating, no question, and the occasional masked anarchist is worse than irritating, but for the most part this movement seems to be devoted -- with increasing focus -- to the reform of radical capitalism. Apart from the occasional loon with a Kropotkin T-shirt, very few of these people are looking to overthrow the capitalist system; I suspect a poll of the protesters would reveal an overwhelming admiration for Steve Jobs, bordering on idolatry. (Troubling in itself.)

Edmund Burke was not much of a hippy drummer, but institutional decline on Wall Street would have disturbed him. He was a reluctant capitalist to begin with, and the idea that business should be unfettered by legal and social responsibility would have appalled him. Burke would have found the rabble on the trading floor as distasteful as the mob in the park. My guess is that he would have been happy to see the nation's drummers and investment bankers stuffed into a single doomed ship on a one-way voyage to France.

Of course, Occupy Wall Street is not finally Burkean. It is, like the Tea Party, a messy populist movement. The concern is real that it refuses to recognize an essential tragic component of human affairs: inequality is an indelible stain; unfairness is the abiding fact of our condition; and the battle for utopia is a recipe for its opposite.

When it comes to certain forms of inequity, however, we have options between the extremes of revolution and quietism. They are imperfect options, and some of them are uncomfortable, but they can be effective: the Civil Rights Movement comes to mind.

Moreover, we know precisely which inequities are being addressed. The protest is not, as some would have it, a cri de coeur aimed at the unfairness of the universe. Nobody is proposing that we mend the cracks in the cosmos.

I suspect that most people would agree, in fact -- after a minute or two of reflection -- that this is a fair summary of the complaint: "The current economic structure of the country is out of balance and favors a very small proportion of the rich over the rest of the country. America needs to reduce the power of major banks and corporations and demand greater accountability and transparency. The government should not provide financial aid to corporations and should not provide tax breaks to the rich."

Coincidentally, that is precisely the statement tested on the American public by the most recent WSJ/NBC Poll. A full 60 percent of Americans "strongly" agreed with it. Another 16 percent of Americans "mildly" agreed. In short: more than three-quarters of Americans identify -- whether they know it or not -- with Occupation Wall Street.

How often do 76 percent of Americans share the same profound complaint about something this fundamental to the nation? This is hardly a trivial critique: read the statement again. Read it, in fact, as if it had just been released as an official manifesto of the Occupy movement. (Conrad Black has proposed one, but this will do nicely.)

The inequity here is not insurmountable: a structural imbalance caused by ludicrous tax ideas, and by the nation-crippling antics of a small cadre of predatory bankers. These Americans -- all 76 percent of them -- are not wild utopians; their complaint can be remedied by an appeal to good old-fashioned legal and financial rigor. Sanity, however, will not install itself. This will require immense pressure from the ordinary citizen.

Occupy Wall Street makes perfect tactical sense here: when you have relatively little money, the only democratic way to go up against this kind of entrenched economic power is to make noise. Preferably coherent noise, without a drum track. My initial response to OWS was irritation -- youth is, let's face it, irritating (I was one) -- but I am increasingly thrilled with the less youthful face of the movement, which looks something like responsible Americans demanding a new New Deal.

Some of the young, in fact, are not so youthful, and their presence is eclipsing the feckless. Soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan are centuries older, spiritually, than the baby neo-hippies and the adolescent Black Bloc, but they are embracing the Occupy movement in growing numbers. Hardly utopians, they have expectations nevertheless of the nation they fought for. They have reason to be disappointed. If I were a young Marine, conservative, patriotic, homeless and suicidal, I would be on the next bus to Zuccotti Park. Despite the drummers.

 
 
 

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The sane Burkean impulse when it comes to the Occupy movement is nervousness (in anticipation of Terror). If there were the slightest possibility of these protests resulting in actual regime change, b...
The sane Burkean impulse when it comes to the Occupy movement is nervousness (in anticipation of Terror). If there were the slightest possibility of these protests resulting in actual regime change, b...
 
 
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
10:02 AM on 11/10/2011
This is the Charlie Sheen of protest movements....
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sgillhoolley
Occupy the discussion.
09:35 AM on 11/10/2011
You, sir, are clueless as to what the occupation movement is capable of. It has already scored several victories in the past few weeks, and it continues to grow, to gain momentum, and to control the dialogue. Who is talking about cutting spending anymore? It's all about job creation and whether corporations need to be reigned in. The movement continues to organize and discuss, amongst themselves, how to create the changes that they are deciding upon. It is not even two months old, and it has already done more than the Tea Party to focus attention on the issues we feel are important. Even Tea Partiers are coming over to the movement, realizing that we are fighting for the same things. The revolution is going on right NOW, but it is not a violent overthrow. It is something far more subtle. Perhaps that is why you have not seen it for what it is.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
09:59 AM on 11/10/2011
Well if totally discrediting themselves in the eyes of the public is a victory, then yeah, I guess they have a victory.
This is the Charlie Sheen of protest movements..
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SnarkyC
Anarchist and all-around eccentric.
11:00 AM on 11/11/2011
Hail Eris!

Only in the sense that it's *winning*. Well, it also has tiger blood.

Snarky
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SocratesFan
Elitist who loves books and learning
10:06 AM on 11/10/2011
Chill out. Cooper ultimately sided with OWS once elderly people and war veterans joined it. He says so right in the article, and he was actually attacking those who were mocking the movement.

This is why politically left-of-center people can't seem to change anything nowadays, they have no patience and they go off half-cocked, alienate potential allies, and end up right back where they started.
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krisgarfield
Res ipsa loquitur - Let the good times roll.
11:46 AM on 11/10/2011
Same can be said of the right-of-center folks....
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lrobb
Gold Standard = four paws and a tail
07:18 AM on 11/10/2011
Any political model which allows the vast majority of the population--without oppressing the minority-- to have a decent life is a good one. Do you think city parks would have become Liberal KOAs absent the recession?

Almost no one said boo about income inequality until people started losing homes and jobs. Only then did bank and fund manager bonuses became a flashpoint. Ergo the main problem is not income inequality, it is the condition of life for the other 99%.
jimbo57
ni dieu ni maitre
05:26 PM on 11/09/2011
Your hero Burke's take on the entire American experiment was that the British people, including colonists, had tacitly accepted the Act of Succession of William of Orange and thereby bound themselves and their progeny to the British Crown IN PERPETUITY. As I recall, Tom Paine took him to the woodshed big time in Common Sense on just that point.

The minute OWS gets leaders and a programme and a list of policy positions it becomes just another player. As long as it remains amorphous and vague, people from all walks of life and all political viewpoints can see it somehow speaking for them...the returning vet AND the barefoot kid in the drum circle.

There are millions of people who feel NO institution; nither political party, not the media, no body speaks for them. They need this.
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SocratesFan
Elitist who loves books and learning
06:44 PM on 11/09/2011
Calm down. Burke may have been wrong about one thing, but that's not a reason to ignore him entirely, especially since Burke can be used to our advantage to point out what's wrong with modern conservatism: that it isn't conservative.

Jeez, do you know how hard it is to get conservatives like Cooper to agree we're right about ANYTHING? Don't alienate one of the few across-the-board allies we have.
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Douglas Anthony Cooper
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12:53 AM on 11/10/2011
We have more in common than you think. I use Burke as a handy weapon to beat self-styled conservatives about the ears. (I'm afraid there are no "conservatives like Cooper." If they were like me, they wouldn't be conservative.)

Although it's interesting to note that when I did have some truck with conservatism -- a long time ago -- my preferred theorist denigrated Burke as a modern: true conservatives do not regard history as a triumph, whereas Burke was comfortable with the idea of progress.
04:41 PM on 11/09/2011
Unfairness is part of the human condition. We have laws to ameliorate the worst excesses, on Wall Street that is called regulation. When people call for less regulation they are inviting the cheats and fraudsters to exploit the systems vulnerabilities. If people including Wall Street were honest and not out to cheat people then we wouldn't need regulations, but its all about getting the maximum whether done fairly or unfairly. Have you ever read a document from an investment firm which clearly stated what was on offer? If you have they only address those issues which they are forced to address and any contract, subject to over-riding law, will absolve them of all responsibility for any of your losses no matter how caused, including even dishonesty on their part. Decency is not the name of the game on Wall Street and people have had enough.
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sgillhoolley
Occupy the discussion.
09:38 AM on 11/10/2011
Agreed, and one more thing. If people on Wall Street were honest they would not oppose regulation, because they would not be doing the things that the regulations prevent. Only criminals oppose common sense laws.
Snow Time
A proud 53%er
03:59 PM on 11/09/2011
OWS has a crime problem and image.
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SocratesFan
Elitist who loves books and learning
05:11 PM on 11/09/2011
That depends on the city. Occupy DC isn't having crime problems. Which city were you talking about?

And what about the international branches of the movement? Occupy Sydney? Occupy London? Occupy China...well no, granted, that one's being trampled by Chinese internet censorship.
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
02:01 PM on 11/09/2011
The promised utopia of communsim or libertarianism/robber baron economics, laisez-faire trickle down capitalism have in both cases produced the opposite efftects.

The truth is the middle between these failed extremes and its called for a lack of a better word socialism or New Deal Demand Capitalism./mixed economies. take your pick... thats what works for us pragmatics.. not an idealoge's black and white!


WE are a socialistic country, our Constitution is such a document!

Give me the details of a libertarian or an anti socialist, you can quickly expose all as Hypocrits..

Its as simple as Churches not paying taxes, which means others pay /subsidize them and their flocks or Bachmans farm subsidies or red states getting back 50% more in Fed money than they pay in TAXES or saying government does not create jobs until you go to close a military base in their district or point out China and AEROBUS and etc.

Regards.
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SocratesFan
Elitist who loves books and learning
05:12 PM on 11/09/2011
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, CAREFUL.

You're making the Republicans' mistake, and then just reversing the value judgment. You think any alternative to the current system is socialism. It's just that you then proceed to praise the idea rather than attack it.

According to the dictionary, socialism is when the state takes control of the means of production. Socialism would be if the government owned our electric company, or owned our steel-making factories, or owned our farms, etc. THAT really DIDN'T work when most countries tried it, with the exception of the Scandinavian countries.

Socialism wasn't in the Constitution, and if you say it was you'll give conservatives a weapon to think our opinion is deluded.

Focus more on the "promote the general welfare" clause. The socialism argument is not going to work, even if you "reverse the value judgment to make it good instead of bad."
09:37 PM on 11/09/2011
according to Karl Marx , Communism is when the state "owns the means of production".
Socialists merely enslave those inclined to capitalism. Communists kill them and take there stuff.
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fairwitness
Avid Ignoramian
01:58 PM on 11/09/2011
"When it comes to certain forms of inequity, however, we have options between the extremes of revolution and quietism. They are imperfect options, and some of them are uncomfortable, but they can be effective: the Civil Rights Movement comes to mind."

So does OWS.

(And your rationalization of "inequality" as an "abiding fact of our condition", and therefore it's "feckless" to make annoying loud noises about the crippling fact that this country has been undeniably taken over by the wealthy and powerful corporations who are clearly determined to pillage it to it's death, reveals the impotence of vapid intellectualism in the face of actuality.)
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Douglas Anthony Cooper
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04:08 PM on 11/09/2011
Stand back. Take a deep breath. Read the piece again. I think you'll discover that we agree. (Perhaps this makes us both vapid intellectuals?)
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SocratesFan
Elitist who loves books and learning
05:07 PM on 11/09/2011
I agree with Cooper, here. You're coming on WAY too strong. Do you know how rare it is that we get a conservative, Cooper or anyone else, to agree with us on ANYTHING? Why are you alienating Cooper just as we've received a concession that yes, there is something wrong and yes, we all have an obligation to fix it instead of accepting it as normal?

My fellow liberals are pursuing perfection and sinking themselves because they won't make compromises even when it's to their advantage.
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Douglas Anthony Cooper
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05:55 PM on 11/09/2011
What is amusing, of course, is that we're both liberals. I didn't expect this sermon to be accepted by the choir (nor does it matter: they're going to sing anyway.) What is important is to demonstrate -- as the WSJ poll did -- that this is a huge tent. Anything supported by 76% of the electorate cannot be dismissed as a leftwing movement.

Bringing the left and center on board is trivial. If we can prove to conservatives that they too are already on board, then we'll have accomplished something.
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darquelourd
You Get What You Play For
01:55 PM on 11/09/2011
You are correct that life is unfair, however, democratic representative government was NOT designed or intended to exacerbate and aggravate that unfairness. The original intention of democratic government, if you will allow me to generalize, was to mitigate that unfairness and spread the burden ACROSS society.

What we have now is a gamed system which actually seeks to widen, broaden, and deepen that unfairness for the Benefit of a tiny minority of the population. That is NOT a natural state. That is an engineered condition that can be CHANGED.

People have the right, always but especially in a democracy, to Change that which doesn't work and even that which they do not like.
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greenmonk
The Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself
02:58 PM on 11/09/2011
fanned.
Because you saved me time typing something similar.
12:38 AM on 11/10/2011
The goal line is equal opportunity, not equal outcome.I'm just not willing to make the effort that's required to accumulate and maintain a great fortune. It's just not important enough to me, but I'm glad somebody's doing it. I've worked for a few over the years. Anybody that makes money fairly and honestly is welcome to it.
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darquelourd
You Get What You Play For
12:05 PM on 11/10/2011
yes "fairly and honestly" but that's NOT how the megacorporations have been making money the last 30 years or so if ever. do you libertarians read books about history and stuff? it would help your cause greatly if you were somewhat rooted in the 21st Century not the 19th.
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s0uthparkc0nservative
If you only had a brain...
01:15 PM on 11/09/2011
At last someone calls it "populism."
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FogBelter
Illegitimis non carborundum
12:58 PM on 11/09/2011
Perhaps you would prefer symbols to drums?

I have a baseline approach to the world ... in the game of life ultimately everybody loses. Since earth is basically a hospice for the creatures who briefly occupy it I see no reason why we can't attempt to bring a certain level of comfort to all who are passing through. An 85 year old sitting on a pile of gold is a tragic absurdity. We don't need revolution, we don't even need capitalism or socialism, all we need is commonsense and the banishment of the fantasies of immortality that make human beings so cruel to each other and the world in which they live.

I'm not sure if my viewpoint is Utopian or not, but I think it is logical since no one beats death despite wealth, stature, or achievement (as Steve Jobs illustrates) to create an environment, on the wet rock in the middle of nowhere we call home, where human beings can live without feeling inflicting pain on others is a winning strategy ... for that is all aggregating absurd amounts of wealth is about anyway.
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pnllsprkf
GOD Please help us
12:57 PM on 11/09/2011
so instead of slamming these people that are out there trying their best-without leadership-why don't you join them and offer to fix what you see as such a non revolutionary act
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SocratesFan
Elitist who loves books and learning
06:45 PM on 11/09/2011
He WASN'T slamming these people. Calm down.

Read the article more carefully, he ultimately agrees with the OWS movement now that elderly people and veterans have joined.

Cooper's one of the few conservatives left who's willing to talk to us. Don't chase him away with demands for perfection, that will ultimately sink any chance of accomplishing anything and we'll be back where we started.
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pnllsprkf
GOD Please help us
07:04 PM on 11/09/2011
thanks for giving me your take on this-it deserves consideration
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sgillhoolley
Occupy the discussion.
09:45 AM on 11/10/2011
Wasn't the movement legitimate before elderly and veterans joined? It still has the same goals. The movement was legitimate from day 1, but it took some people a while to figure that out, and it will take others longer still. Liberal, conservative...it really doesn't matter. Either you are with the 99% or you are not. I think the movement needs to be as inclusive as possible, focused clearly on a few stated goals. Once those are accomplished new goals can be put into the spotlight, but each new goal increases the likelihood of fractionalism. Let's defang the corporations and then we can look at other issues. Until that issue is dealt with, it would be a waste of resources to attempt to deal with the others.
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PJ Parker
DC is Wall St's Customer Service Department
12:52 PM on 11/09/2011
Corporate America needs to pay taxes, just like everybody else. The wealthy need to pay taxes, just like everybody else.

Did you earn your capital gains on pharmaceutical or internet based stocks? You can thank the USA for funding the research for that by paying your taxes. How about the rest of the Wall Street companies? Is there any company that made it on it's own? No government money or technology involved? No. Ok, everybody, pay your taxes, call it a cost of doing business, and thank America for your opportunity.
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Miller Time
01:55 PM on 11/09/2011
47% of the Americans do not pay federal income taxes. Is that just like everyone else?
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
02:04 PM on 11/09/2011
Half of those are retired living off of already taxed savings and soc sec.

The rest can be mostly accounted for by the outsourcing of 30 million jobs, or 60,000 factories closing under Bush or declining wages such that the avg wage in Texas is LT than the 1965 min wage adjusted for inflation...

You want more people to pay taxes, then dont lower wages and have 20 million out of work or under employed.
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LarryA
Rational & Intelligent - obviously a progressive
02:43 PM on 11/09/2011
Thanks for the pointless straw man argument. You are a good GOP robot.
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Henk Bos
06:38 PM on 11/09/2011
When you don't have any skin in the game, the desire is to abscone someone elses wealth for your personal gain. This desire is as old as man himself. The Bible expressess it quite well, regarding coveting your neighbors property. If you don't earn it, you don't own it!
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SnarkyC
Anarchist and all-around eccentric.
05:19 AM on 11/11/2011
Hail Eris!

Precisely. Wall Street bankers didn't earn their billions (they stole 'em), so they don't own them.

Snarky
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Mark Andrzejczak
"After such knowledge, what forgiveness?"
12:40 PM on 11/09/2011
What I'm drawing from this article is (please, Mr. Cooper, correct me if I'm misinterpreting your message): "Life sucks, it will never not suck, and you should just learn to deal with it and stop trying to make it suck less. Oh, and stop whining about it while you're at it."

Why this pervasive attitude dream-killing lately? When did we ever stop reality stop us from having big, bold ideas in the past? As Mr. Pratchett, using Death as a persona, said "Take the universe and grind it down to the finest powder, and sift it through the finest sieve, and then show me one atom of justice, one molecule of mercy. And yet, you try to act as though there is some ideal order in the world. As if there is some rightness in the universe by which it might be judged. You need to believe in impossible things; how else can they become?"

Abstracts like love, equality, loyalty, justice, mercy, generosity—these things only exist insofar as we believe them to exist and strive to make them a reality. When you've already given up on fixing the system, of course it's going to stay broken.
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SocratesFan
Elitist who loves books and learning
12:52 PM on 11/09/2011
No, that's not his message. His message is that SOME LEVEL of unfairness will always exist, but ultimately he endorsed the movement because older people are joining it in addition to the youths.
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whyldlife
12:36 PM on 11/10/2011
Some level of unfairness is a staple of a capitalistic society, attempts at Utopia have always resulted in Orwellian societies. I agree with Mr Cooper and yourself, the validity of the movement is confirmed by the multigenerational and patriotic aspects. Those that deride the movement come from the self-serving portion of our population who love to proclaim
their patriotism and Christianity. Ironically most of the pundits and politicians who proclaim this loudest have never served in our armed forces and the rest of the the voices seem to have forgotten the shall not covet point made earlier. Those that yell loudest for freedom only seem to perceive it in a narrow ultraconservatistic, abortion and immigrant free spectrum.
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
12:52 PM on 11/09/2011
Thats not what he is saying.. read it again, all the way thru!
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Ned Leavitt
12:33 PM on 11/09/2011
A proper conservative writing rational arguments? Where have you been hiding, and are there any more of you there?
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Douglas Anthony Cooper
Novelist (Amnesia), www.bloggermortis.com
06:58 PM on 11/09/2011
They are out there, but they're ashamed to call themselves conservati­ves. As am I -- in fact, I jettisoned that word years ago. Explained here (in a blog post that seems to have offended the hell out of Sullivan): http://dys­blog.blogs­pot.com/20­07/02/time­-for-andre­w-sullivan­-to-come-o­ut.html

The answer is that the word "conservat­ive" once described some of what I think. And some of what Sully thinks. The term, however, is utterly tainted. I refuse to be described by any word that is widely used to describe Michele Bachmann and Rush Limbaugh. (Unless we keep it nice and general, like: "biped." That probably describes all three of us. You can call me a biped if you like.)

(And thank you.)
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sgillhoolley
Occupy the discussion.
09:48 AM on 11/10/2011
I'm not sure, at one point you claim to be a liberal, and now you sound like you are saying you are an old-school conservative. Which is it, because they are not even close to being the same?