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PETA's "Thank You" for Killing Shelter Pets

Posted: 09/04/2012 7:45 am

When the No Kill shelter in Shelby County, Kentucky, recently announced that they had run out of space -- and were hence going to have to start killing healthy dogs and cats -- officials received a nice basket of gourmet cookies, with a note signed by PETA: "Thank you for doing the right thing for animals."

Surely I'm joking here. This must be a weak stab at satire. Many people have written about Ingrid Newkirk's vicious pet-killing program -- her organization has personally liquidated over 27,000 animals -- but PETA has always responded with hurt and outrage (and lawyers). People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals don't celebrate killing, goes the lie -- they see it as a regrettable necessity.

Surely Newkirk wouldn't be so foolish as to express her ghoulish agenda in this way, as a naked statement accompanied by a gift. No group of self-styled vegans would publicly wed their name to the Pro-Kill Equation: butchery = the right thing.

Well, Nathan Winograd (who developed the somewhat different No Kill Equation) reported on this in detail, and I suggest you examine his photographic evidence. A lovely basket of "Allison's Gourmet Cookies" -- shipped fresh from California -- with a handwritten note signed: "The PETA Staff." If you'd like further evidence, and to read the reverse side of this charming note, Shelby County No Kill Mission has produced an affecting video about the episode.

To understand just how grotesque this is, you have to know a little bit about Shelby. This is not simply one of America's fifty-one No Kill communities. It has a special significance: Last year's save rate sent Shelby County to the top -- it is now one of the most successful examples of No Kill in the nation.

The last animal killed for lack of space in Shelby County was on May 27, 2008. Since then, they've enjoyed a save rate that is almost precisely the inverse of PETA's kill rate. Whereas PETA slaughters 97% of the pets delivered to their hellish "Shelter of Last Resort," in 2011 Shelby saved 98.52% of the cats and 94.46% of the dogs in their care.

Shelby County runs an open admission shelter: They do not turn animals away. They have an impeccable history -- despite PETA's dire predictions, their No Kill community has never been associated with hoarding or animal abuse of any kind. (In fact, none of the legitimate No Kill organizations has been guilty of these crimes, but that's another story.) The Shelby program has a tiny budget: $147,000. Compare that to PETA's annual plunder: over $32.3 million from unsuspecting donors.

While we're talking numbers, I should mention Shelby's 2011 live release rate for creatures other than dogs and cats (rabbits, etc.): a sterling 99.5%. This is a relatively small category -- just a handful of animals -- but I'm one of those people who believes that even a single rabbit matters. And in this category, PETA managed a live release rate of 7%. (For the mathematically challenged, that means that in 2011, 93% of these animals did not survive their visit to PETA's headquarters in Norfolk.)

This underfunded county in Kentucky is PETA's worst nightmare. Shelby has proven that even in the most difficult circumstances, Ingrid Newkirk's blood-drenched program is completely unnecessary.

In short, Shelby matters.

Hence the grateful cookie basket: If this county starts killing again, PETA is made to look like a respectable organization -- one that embraces hard but necessary choices -- as opposed to a cult of eager and unrepentant pet killers.

Now, in some respects Shelby County has deviated from the No Kill Equation as defined by Nathan Winograd. Notably, whenever the shelter has become full, Shelby has responded by presenting the community with deadlines: Unless a certain number of animals are adopted by this date, the shelter will be forced to kill. The tactic has worked thus far, but goes contrary to what the No Kill Community stands for, which is to eliminate even the threat of violence towards animals.

Worse: it brings out the vampires.

The occasion of PETA's celebration was the most credible threat thus far: the prospect of a particularly impressive No Kill shelter failing, and reverting to the barbarism of the status quo. Behold! No Kill is a utopian illusion, and we are righteous vegans with hypodermics. Have some cookies.

I looked into Allison's Gourmet, by the way, to determine just how much a basket of their vegan delicacies would set you back. This is not to suggest that the company is complicit in this revolting display: They seem like sincere people who genuinely care about animals; I like to think they had no idea that their product was being used as a prize for killing pets.

Allison's pastries look pretty great, in fact: "Exquisite Treats for Gourmet Palates." As you can imagine, they are not inexpensive.

A basket of Allison's vegan cookies and candies costs between $85 (for the "Classic Elegance Gift Basket)" and $415 (for the "Ultimate Nirvana Gift Basket.") Shipping is between $16.95 and $60.65. Add a $4 chill pack, to keep things fresh.

It is just the kind of expansive gesture you can expect from Ingrid Antoinette, who famously knows some of the world's most special and well-heeled vegan celebrities. Let them eat cookies.

I do hope that PETA includes this expense in their annual budget. Thankfully, not all of the cash milked from innocent donors goes towards butchering animals. Some of that 32.3 million goes towards pastries that celebrate other people butchering animals. It's important for you to know this, if you're planning on sending Ingrid a cheque.

PETA's kill propaganda can be extraordinarily effective, but this particular horror story has a happy ending. Thanks in large part to the aid of Shelby County No Kill Mission, a private group, the shelter did not kill even one creature: Despite their announcement, they found a place for every single pet.

Oh, and Shelby officials have decided to discontinue the shock tactic of threatening that animals will be killed if homes aren't found. This is a welcome decision. Of course the most important thing is to stop killing, but it's also crucial to point out that PETA's vicious practice is not even an option. It is not something you contemplate, much less threaten. The decent citizens of Shelby do not kill dogs and cats for this simple reason: They are not the kind of people who butcher pets.

The shelter in Shelby, by the way, is hindered not only by their shoe-string budget, but by their relatively inaccessible location. If you appreciate what Shelby County is accomplishing -- against all odds, for some of the nation's most vulnerable shelter animals -- I strongly suggest that you send a donation to Shelby County No Kill Mission.

The shelter does not in fact require exquisite gourmet cookies, but they could desperately use pet food, bedding, cat litter, laundry detergent. That hundred dollars you'd spend on even the cheapest basket of vegan delicacies could buy, for instance, four microwavable heating discs -- crucial for keeping puppies warm on cold nights, after they haven't been killed. Send a healthy contribution to the good people of Shelby, and attach a note saying, "Thank you for doing the right thing."

You are no doubt wondering what happened to PETA's expensive gift. This I am happy to report. In a rare and inspired act, where justice does in fact rise to the level of poetry, the cookies were given to adopters as a token of thanks.

Can't you just imagine Ingrid seething? All of that good money -- precious donations, for God's sake -- put towards saving shelter animals.

 
 
 

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LGC1953
Be careful what you ask for, you might get it
03:35 PM on 09/29/2012
When will PETA go after the Euros for bull-fighting, pate fois gras among other disgusting practices?? Why does PETA refuse to criticize some of their biggest contributors when those contributors wear fur??? Why does PETA... never mind, they do none of this because they are self-serving hypocrites who killed animals in VA at a rate of 97% and fought to keep that info from the VA gov't!!
09:54 PM on 10/02/2012
Have you even bothered to look up Peta's work on those issues posting that? Clearly you haven't. A few months ago I received a letter from Peta with an enclosed petition to Spain's Prime-minister to end bullfighting. Just a few days ago Peta revealed an undercover investigation in one of Fortnum & Mason's suppliers of foie gras causing massive protests on their facebook page and prompting an official response from the company: http://action.peta.org.uk/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=5&ea.campaign.id=16005 Do us all a favor and the next time research your subject before posting lies about it.
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01:59 PM on 10/05/2012
Do they do anything about what happens to the galgos at the end of hunting season? These dogs are often tied up and left to starve. But that's an aside---
PETA does some good work, but their extreme position--that having pets is immoral and that killing unwanted pets is humane-- is hypocritical and damages their reputation.
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fromdnorth
OK I checked my micro-bio (didn't know I had one
11:28 PM on 10/08/2012
PETA is a lucrative scam... Insincere in the extreme and petty busybodies, denying Indigenous peoples their traditions because it offends their urban sensitivities...
02:37 AM on 09/25/2012
According to PETA logic, we should be out rounding up every animal we can find and euthanizing them to "save" them. Every living organism is going to suffer at some point in its life. Raccoons and feral cats have about the same life expectancy, and die in similar ways - they starve, get eaten, are ran over, etc. Most wild animals don't even live to see their first birthday.

Maybe hunters should just tell PETA nuts that they are "saving" deer and other animals by shooting them so they don't have to suffer dying from starvation or being eaten by wolves or cougars.
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05:44 PM on 09/23/2012
PETA sucks Sh**. I live in Shelby County, just 1.5 miles from the Little Humane Society. They do a great job there. I also prepost ads on FB for pet adoptions and fosters for them.
09:26 PM on 09/17/2012
I think the author and commenters don't know the ethical framework behind most of PETA's ideas. Have any of you ever read Peter Singer's work, on which PETA is based? Peter Singer is an utilitarian. According to him, the main problem with how we treat animals is the AMOUNT OF SUFFERING we inflict on them. The death of an animal per se is not the worst problem, from an utilitarian perspective. In fact, if animals lived good lives and then died painlessly, Singer would have almost no problem with that, because no suffering was inflicted.

How does this relate to the No Kill model? For every animal not euthanized at a No Kill Shelter, another one lives an almost certainly miserable life on the streets. And most of those lives don't end well: they are run over, abused, poisoned, drowned or fatally wounded. To make matters worse, a lot of these animals are able to reproduce before they die.

From an utilitarian point of view, it would be more ethical to painlessly kill a healthy animal, than to allow a feral one to live a miserable life and procreate. If, however, there is a way to get shelter pets adopted at a faster rate than feral ones reproduce, the No Kill model would have quite more on its favor. But I don't see this happening very soon. If we are ever to achieve this, a lot more resources should be spent on Spay and Neuter programs instead of shelter expansion.
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08:21 PM on 09/20/2012
Ricardo, I have written at length about that ethical framework, in an article on the Huffington Post entitled "PETA's Sinister Interpretation of Animal 'Rights'."

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/douglas-anthony-cooper/peta-animal-rights_b_1636097.html

You're absolutely right about the philosophical underpinnings, but you have much more respect for them than I do: I've identified them as "the bastard spawn of the most vulgar and simplistic utilitarians."

I urge you to read it, and respond.
10:26 PM on 09/24/2012
Since it is not possible to comment on the post you mentioned, I have to comment on this one. And given that I have a limit of 250 characters per comment, I'll have to post a lot to respond to your statements thoroughly. I'll try to do a paragraph by paragraph response.

Your first critique is just as applicable to any animal rights philosophy that ever allows the euthanasia of animals as it is to PETA's. The No Kill movement you promote does allow the euthanasia of very ill or unadoptable animals - how is this not deciding when and how an animal should die? Do the animals ask you to be euthanized? If not, and I know they don't because even if they could talk they have no concept of euthanasia, then you are deciding when and how animals should die.

People also naturally assume we have to eat meat to live, and yet we do not. A lot of people assume animal rights' supporters think animals are the same as humans, which is also wrong (at least for utilitarians). People assume lots of wrong stuff about other people's ideas, and that's a problem of the people who assume, not of the ones having ideas. You could argue PETA is not transparent about its animal rights philosophy not being an extension of human rights, but anyone who reads PETA's "Our views" or "FAQ" sections of their website, knows they are.
10:43 PM on 09/24/2012
I don't agree with your assertion that "[i]f the men and woman who fought to end black slavery had embraced Ingrid Newkirk's methods, for instance, they would have taken great pride in killing slaves". Those men and women did employ Newkirk's methods, namely denouncing the injustices and cruelty committed against black slaves, and the irrationality of ignoring the slaves' suffering on the basis of their skin color. I've never seen Newkirk arguing for the euthanasia of every animal abused by humans. PETA doesn't even argue for the abolition of the "pet institution" (www.peta.org/about/why-peta/pets.aspx), they simply believe it would be better if it never happened. If slave abolitionists embraced Newkirk's methods, they would be satisfied with simply guaranteeing slaves basic needs (which would not include freedom).

"Slavery, they would have argued, is cruel. (Decent people agree.) Hence, the enslaved are better off dead. (Decent people part ways here.)" PETA does not argue keeping pets is inherently cruel, and they do not advocate the killing of pets http://www.peta.org/about/why-peta/pets.aspx I have received many action alerts and newsletters from PETA and not once did they advocate anything like that.
10:44 AM on 09/15/2012
Does it really surprise anyone this reaction from PETA? We have all known for years what their true agenda is for companion animals, we just never thought they would come out and admit it which is basically what they have done here! Still think your hard earned dollars should be going to PETA people? How about you redirect those dollars to the Shelby shelter? Show PETA you DON"T agree with their agenda!
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11:34 PM on 09/13/2012
Just glancing through the comments here. It's interesting that nobody -- not one person -- has indicated that they support PETA's delivery of a thank-you gift basket to reward a shelter for killing. We've heard the usual (tangential) defenses of PETA, and the usual (not very credible) smears against No Kill, but nobody has chosen to defend the gesture at the heart of the story. Why the silence? Either you think that killing is the right thing -- and that PETA's thank you was therefore appropriate -- or you don't.

And if you don't, then perhaps you ought to ask yourself: why precisely am I defending this loathsome organization?
09:38 PM on 09/17/2012
I, for one, think killing is the right thing. See my previous comment to find out why. And let me add that being pro-animal companionship is perfectly compatible with this view. It's merely a matter of weighing the suffering caused by decision: letting a homeless animal roam the streets and procreate ultimately causes more suffering than euthanizing a sheltered pet and taking that animal in (possibly euthanizing him later as well). I know it sound awful - it is awful - but it's no less worse than letting millions of homeless animals get run over and abused: which is the inevitable result of not euthanizing the animals in shelters.
01:39 PM on 09/24/2012
You are not only wrong from a philosophical standpoint, but also from a practical one. When a shelter takes their community to No Kill, they increase the level of community support for lifesaving. The increased number of volunteers and donors and adopters builds the capacity for a bigger safety net for animals. It is NOT true that for every one not killed at the "shelter" another suffers on the street. Quite the opposite. Your argument is fatally flawed in more ways than one.
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novabird
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04:17 AM on 09/25/2012
I read your long posts on this article. I am shocked at how "reasonable and rational" you make killing seem. It makes me shiver to read it, how you very calmly rationalize killing.

I hope for their sake nobody in your family ever becomes sick or disabled or feeble.
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life is fun.
05:13 PM on 09/13/2012
Every pet our family has had was a rescue. The make the best pets.
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08:38 AM on 09/13/2012
This conversation has run its course for me, and this will be my last comment. Thanks to everyone who treated me respectfully, and read my comments with an open mind.
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Lucy Van Pelt
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02:20 PM on 09/13/2012
Yes, we understand. You have exhausted every possible spin/lie/technicality and red herring that you could....Your work here is done....NEXT......
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AdobePhsyko
This has to be the disease for you
12:56 PM on 10/08/2012
Are they killing homeless fish now ?
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Lucy Van Pelt
Learn to swim!!
03:45 PM on 09/13/2012
Everyone, with the exception of Mr. Cooper and Cunningrand stopped reading your drivel after your very first comment. You know, the one with the GIANT whopper of a lie.

Congratulations though, you sure know how to clear a room.....

Farewell to thee.....
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suzyelectrz
12:16 AM on 09/13/2012
I am struck by how much the language and tactics of the NK movement mirrors the language and tactics of the anti-choice and neo-con political movements. Anyone else see any similarities?

"What is objectionable, what is dangerous about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents." Robert F. Kennedy

http://www.lairdwilcox.com/news/hoaxerproject.html
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Douglas Anthony Cooper
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10:19 PM on 09/16/2012
That's the thing I like most about PETA: how they shun extremism.
12:11 AM on 09/13/2012
I wish people would stop wasting their money on PETA. Dogs and cats are animals, not people. Dogs originated from wolves and cats are in the cat family like lions, cougars, leopards, tigers, etc. Dogs and cats are roamers, they are not meant to live in capitivity in sheltered life.

Sure some dogs and cats get killed living in the wild but so do rats and mice. Rats and mice get killed by traps, poisons, etc. but they learn from observing other mice and rats get killed by these things and they learn not to go near traps and poisons. White tail deer are the same, they learn by observing how other deer get killed by vehicles while crossing the roads, etc. Not all dogs and all cats get killed by being released out into the wild near bodies of water, some, if not most, do survive.
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Leanne McKenzie
You can't make this sh*t up.
11:08 AM on 09/29/2012
"Not all dogs and all cats get killed by being released out into the wild near bodies of water, some, if not most, do survive."

Our dogs and cat would probably survive, by finding other people to look after them. The fact is that most people living "in the country" have animals released in their area all the time. Cats, kittens, dogs, puppies. One friend of mine has more than 2 dozen "barn" cats because they keep finding them on the roadside. She takes them all to get fixed to prevent litters, but kitties still arrive by the box load. Her two current dogs were roadside finds and a few of the cats have become house cats.

One of our dogs was a roadside find. Someone picked her up during a horrible wind/rain storm after they realized she had been sitting in the same spot for 2 days. She'd had puppies at some previous point, her feet were swollen and sore and she was exhausted. She was also going into heat. We took her, paid nearly $1000 for medicine, tests and spaying. She hated going out at night, but overcame that, but she won't go out in wind and rain no matter what time it is.

Your solution is costly in animal lives and to others who want to do right by the animals.
03:31 AM on 09/12/2012
I don't live in the Shelby County & what the conditions in the shelter were, but I think it should be documented that there are some that believe intervention was necessary. As long as there is discussion about the positives and negatives of PETA, it should also be acknowledged that there have been concerns about the conditions at Shelby Animal Services.

https://www.facebook.com/WDRBNews/posts/352269841520968
"I went to the Shelby Co. AnimalShelter ( not to be confused with the humane society) earlier in the year. I was disgusting and appalled by the living conditions of the animals. The state needs to intervene. I cried when I left it was so horrible!" - Louisville Resident

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/shelbyville-ky/TGUK7UKMMPO196M7B
Jul 22, 2012
I came to Shelby County to visit your "wonderful" no kill shelter that I have heard so much about but I was so dissappointed. I didnt see a no kill shelter but what I did see is a hoarding facility with 2-3 dogs in every kennel running in their own feces, dogs in a fenced in area outside and cats,cats, and more cats. I was even taken into what used to be the shelter directors office that has cage after cage of cats, many sick, and they had to move his desk out into the open area of the shelter to make more room. Listen, Im all about a no kill status as long as the animals are healthy, ...
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Lucy Van Pelt
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11:11 AM on 09/12/2012
Since when are we taking anonymous 'anecdotes' as facts? You PeTA people sure do play by your own set of rules, don't you? And that is just another reason why people don't trust PeTA or believe PeTA or like PeTA....
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12:51 AM on 09/13/2012
I didn't list the Louiseville resident's name for the first comment because the link takes you to the public news station FB page which includes the comment. So while the second comment was anonymous, the first one was not.

In regard to "you PETA people", I'm not affiliated with PETA in any manner, and I think it's amusing that the no-kill movement always tries to infer that only 1 or 2 people object to the heavy handed tactics of no-kill, but I can assure you I'm not Alleged Mary.

While I'm not affiliated with PETA, I support their objection to shelters continually being over capacity, and am alarmed by policies that leave countless numbers of cats on the street to die and suffer under these policies codified under no-kill's CAPA.

http://delawarecapa.blogspot.com/2012/08/passing-buck-cruelest-state-in-nation.html

http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Cats-Found-Emaciated--Near-Death---Rescued-by-Neighbors.html?soid=1102184342461&aid=B688ctYUQF0

No-kill advocates can keep claiming no-kill will not cost communities, but numbers don't lie. And as you can see from the stories above, the cost is not limited to dollars, it's also the number of animals suffering as a result.
http://delawarecapa.blogspot.com/2012/04/millions-of-dollars-common-sense.html
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11:06 PM on 09/11/2012
Veterinary technician Susan Dunlow: "Tonya held up the carrier to, like, face level. And Adria was looking into the carrier, saying 'Oh! They're so cute!' At that point, Tonya was telling her that we've had them for several weeks, they were very socialized, they were very healthy, and that we hoped they would be able to find homes for them. At that point, Adria said 'We shouldn't have any problems finding homes for these kittens. They're absolutely gorgeous! Do they have names?'"

In fact, rather than even attempting to find homes, Adria killed them all in the back of the PETA van.

Mary Tully, stop using lies to defend PETA's twisted agenda. We all know what the truth is (even you, I'm sure of it). It's very unfortunate that PETA's missteps have given those with an anti-AR agenda so much ammunition. Your time would be much better spent petitioning PETA to stop rounding up healthy, adoptable animals and killing them. It would be good for the AR movement and good for the animals. They have no business taking in healthy animals if they are not willing to find homes for them. Ask them to focus on those animals who are truly suffering and leave the healthy animals to those shelters and rescues that are committed to giving them a second chance at life. Not death.
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11:18 AM on 09/12/2012
PeTA uses the 'Saul Alinsky''s Rules for Radicals' form of advocacy. Where lies, slander and dirty tricks are encouraged.
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10:30 PM on 09/11/2012
Here is another one of Mary Tully's lies I'd like to not see again: "They find homes for adoptable animals they receive. They refer adoptable animals to high-traffic shelters in their area." This is a lie of recent vintage. Last week she was insisting that PETA "limits their intake to owner surrenders requiring euthanasia."

I'm a stickler for facts, too, Mary, and I tend to believe those who have actually worked at PETA and have no reason to lie, as well as those who have testified under oath regarding the animals they relinquished to PETA with the understanding that PETA would try to find them homes, not immediately kill them in the back of a van before even leaving the county.

Bertie County animal control officer Berry Anderson: "They came to the shelter to take all the dogs that were not being quarantined or on hold for any reason and take them back to Virginia. My understanding was that if it's an animal that's good or adoptable, you try to find homes for them. Especially the two Dalmatians that were running around. And I asked her [Hinkle] if she thinks that those two dogs were adoptable. And she said yes, you know, she thought that they shouldn't have a problem at all finding homes for those Dalmatians."
08:38 PM on 09/12/2012
In a discussion about PeTA having a 97% euthanasia rate, it is not inappropriate to assume that everyone agrees that there are some animals that PeTA does not euthanize. It was not dishonest to leave animals who were not euthanized, out of comments about animals who were euthanized. Apparently, your mileage varies.

Testimony given in the Hinkle and Cook trial in 2005, is not testimony that PeTA euthanizes healthy animals in Virginia, here in 2012. The testimony to which you refer was insufficient to substantiate the charges that Hinkle and Cook had obtained the animals unlawfully. It didn't substantiate the charges against Hinkle and Cook then, and it does not substantiate your charges now.
04:36 AM on 09/13/2012
Ah, my favorite. And refresh my memory--do you happen to recall whether the charge of obtaining by false pretenses was dropped on a technicality? You know, as in the papers that the people who turned over the animals signed allowed for euthanasia and didn't say it wouldn't happen, so "technically" there were no false pretenses.

You know, despite the fact that multiple witnesses from multiple institutions testified they were told the animals would be put up for adoption.

Mary, I just never get tired of how happy you are to take advantage of technicalities. No one cares about whether they were "unlawfully" obtained. They only care that they were adoptable. Considering that Hinkle didn't testify that the animals weren't adoptable, that multiple people testified that they WERE adoptable, and that the only post-mortem examination found the animal was in good condition, I think that saying all these guys were unadoptable is the less likely reality.
02:28 PM on 09/11/2012
Mary Tully said:

"I need to admit a mistake. Nathan Winograd was correct in stating that Hayden Law was amended to include the euthanasia of motherless newborn kittens and puppies. "

"I do not believe that Nathan Winograd is secretly plotting against tiny kittens and puppies"

"For my part, I won't be stooping to the very tactics I abhor in others, in the future"

I think that covered all the bases on that issue. I guess that New Year's resolution didn't work out.
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03:45 PM on 09/11/2012
THANK you. I warned you, Mary: the internet is forever. If you post something, sooner or later somebody's going to find it.

Can we now please have a promise that you won't in fact be stooping to this tactic? I don't want to hear this lie again. It's tiresome to refute it, but because it happens to be a particularly ugly lie -- one of the worst I've heard from PETA's team -- it's pretty much necessary to do so, every time it rears its ugly little head.
07:07 PM on 09/11/2012
Here's the thing: The amendments occurred prior to the bill's being introduced to and passed in the Assembly August 26, 1998, prior to its being introduced to and passed by the Senate August 30, 1998, and prior to its being approved by the Governor of California September 22, 1998. All of the amendments to which I refer occurred before the bill ever hit the Assembly for a vote. They were part of the original law. Winograd and I may agree that these were amended provisions, but the record and I disagree with his assertion that the provisions that allow for the "killing/slaughtering/butchering" of kittens and puppies younger than eight weeks old, and motherless bottle-feeders, were added "a year or two" later. Not that it matters. Winograd is aware of, and has been aware of the provisions. He has done nothing but publicly support the legislation, and has even encouraged others to support the legislation, without disclosing to them that they are supporting legislation that "kills/slaughters/butchers" kittens and puppies younger than eight weeks old. I'd say that trumps my not sticking to my New Year's Resolution.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/97-98/bill/sen/sb_1751-1800/sb_1785_bill_19980923_chaptered.html

I regret associating myself with Douglas Anthony Cooper's tactics in that statement. I should never have considered trying to be as truthful as possible to be "stooping," on my part. It wasn't stooping then, and it's not stooping now.