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Bringing Up Baby Without Gender: A Risky Social Experiment?

Posted: 05/27/11 03:21 PM ET

Baby Storm is four months old; it lives in Toronto, Canada, and is as cute as can be. Wait -- "it"?

That's right. Storm's parents are keeping the infant's sex a secret from everyone but the immediate family and a handful of confidants in an effort to provide the child freedom to eventually decide on a gender identity, without the influence of societal expectation and narrow, traditional gender roles. Instead of dolls for girls and trucks for boys, Kathy Witterick and David Stocker have decided that "anything goes."

Storm's parents have gotten a fair amount of venomous feedback after a recent Toronto Sun article on their decision by Jayme Poisson went viral, and I have no intention of feeding the fire. It's fairly clear that they are loving parents with admirable intentions -- to see fewer children limited by stereotypes or stigmatized for their differences, whether it's what they want to wear, do or be.

Letting kids express their gender "creatively," as Poisson puts it in her story, is great; it's good parenting to let them sample lots of different kinds of roles. But the fact is that gender differences are not all socially invented, and they're not all chosen -- there are differences in male and female brains that show up rather early in children's development. It's not just a stereotype that girls tend to develop language skills earlier, and find it easier to sit still, while boys tend to be more rambunctious. Some of the typical variation in boys' and girls' play -- the trucks vs. dolls -- is based on those inherent differences between the majority of boys and the majority of girls.

What we want for all children is for them to be comfortable in their own skin, to feel good about their bodies, their gender identities and their sexual preferences -- whatever they may be, and whether or not they're typical. That isn't to say that these are choices, either, though children experiment with clothing and play and personas as they develop knowledge and confidence about who they are.

Raising Kids In A Bubble

Being secretive about a child's gender seems rather antithetical to this necessary process of developing an identity. Witterick and Stocker seem to be raising their three children in a kind of bubble by creating an expectation-free zone, which may be great for experimentation but doesn't help them develop the strength and confidence to be comfortable in the world inhabited by other children and adults.

Indeed, their oldest boy, Jazz, who at 5 is often mistaken for a girl because of his penchant for wearing his hair in braids and sometimes donning a dress, apparently elected not to start school last year, though he is eligible, for fear of being teased. "People -- children and adults -- would immediately react with Jazz over his gender," Witterick tells Poisson. "That's mostly why he doesn't want to go to school."

I can't help thinking of the more sensible approach another mom I know took when her young son asked her, "If I wear this pink thing to school, will people make fun of me?" Her answer: "Yup. I don't know why, but yes." This is the truth. He needed that information to decide what he wanted to do. Learning to get along with other kids is one of the tasks of growing up. Keeping them in the nest indefinitely, with what Witterick and Stocker call their home "unschooling," isn't going to help them learn to connect with other kids and navigate social universes. Teaching them that they are only safe -- understood, accepted -- at home is not a very character-building message.

One wonders whether all this focus on the children deciding for themselves -- not only what to do during the "unschool" day but whether to go to school -- really helps make kids sure of themselves, or is a kind of "unparenting." Research suggests that children do best when parents are comfortable with their own authority, that children appreciate, and benefit from, structured homes in which parents are warm but clearly in charge.

Still, we're not too worried about these children. That fact is that kids are incredibly resilient, and they're also joiners by nature. The pioneering (if not welcome) research of Judith Rich Harris suggests that peers are far more influential in socialization than parents are. What parents can do is guide their children towards peers they think will do a good job helping their kids craft their own identity -- which does not appear to be happening yet in this household. And as many a clever commenter online has pointed out, the inevitable teenage rebellion of these free-spirited youngsters could very well be to simply wear pants and do well on math tests.

Secrecy Is Unhealthy For Children

What is most disturbing is the secrecy -- that Witterick and Stocker have charged their two sons with staying mum about Storm's sex. The boys say it's OK, but that doesn't make it OK. Gender is a part of who we are, even if we hope that it wouldn't matter as much as it often does. Pretending it doesn't exist isn't a good message to send to a child-or an infant. It magnifies, rather than reducing, its importance. And charging young children with keeping family secrets can be seriously unhealthy.

It smacks of a social experiment that may have more risk than benefit for the subject. Research is normally vetted to make sure it is both scientifically sound and ethical -- that potential harm to the subjects participating is minimal. This isn't scientifically sound, and the risk is that Storm is turned into a sideshow -- with everyone the child meets wanting to literally look into those diapers.

The two older children have clearly been enlisted in the family cause. "Let your kid be whoever they are!" reads an exhortation in a booklet by Jazz -- who, incidentally, calls himself the "Gender Explorer." "Help girls do boy things. Help boys do girl things," it also reads. All fine, but what's missing there is the key caveat: "if they want to."

His mother seems even more confused. "Everyone keeps asking us, 'When will this end?'" she tells Poisson. "And we always turn the question back. Yeah, when will this end? When will we live in a world where people can make choices to be whoever they are?" Suggesting that identity is entirely a matter of choice is almost Orwellian and definitely not a message for children. If anyone ever asks you to choose who you are, tell them, "No thanks. I'm free to be me."

For more information on this topic and on the Child Mind Institute, visit www.childmind.org.

 

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Todd G Chavey
09:54 PM on 06/10/2011
You are naturally born with your own identity. For anyone to experiment with your mind, body and soul is coming from a mind that is not thinking straight and is not mentally mature . The only guidence a parent should give a child is that of the nature of love.
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Crista Renouard
Meh...
09:38 AM on 05/30/2011
Human progress isn't made by towing the cultural line and enforcing the status quo. Someone's got to be free enough of the social conditioning we live in to give an unbiased critique of it. Sure, there are rules that everyone society should live by, but if we focus on "boys can't wear dresses" then we'll never get to "be kind to everyone".
12:19 AM on 05/29/2011
It's one thing to teach kids that cultural norms can be arbitrary and sometimes silly. For example if a boy plays with dolls, that's "wrong" but if he plays with action figures, that's OK even though action figures are themselves dolls. However it's another thing to never teach him/her the norms. I'm from another country and can tell you that at least 50% of adapting to, fitting in, and functioning in another country is knowing all the unwritten rules. Watch the movie "Borat" and you will see what can happen when someone is oblivious to social norms.

While some may think that what the parents are doing is noble, I disagree. They say they want the kid to chose, which sounds great, but how can a kid make a good choice if he/she is ignorant? How can you decide to follow the social roles of a boy, if you don't know what's expected of a boy? Furthermore, a parent's role is to teach a kid, not pretend that the kid is his/her equal. If you don't teach a kid the social norms, you are condemning that kid to a "school of hard knocks" when his/her life could be so much easier.

I hope the parents abandon this "noble" experiment, listen to common sense, and that the kids don't have a tough childhood.
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Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
03:26 PM on 05/29/2011
Childhood is tough no matter what. Forced gender assignment causes terrible damage. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marlo-thomas/marlo-thomas-bullying_b_866313.html
I think it is irresponsible to force your self and your children to conform without a fight.
11:17 PM on 05/29/2011
I think tolerance is important. My post was not about conforming, but about knowing the little rules. For example in America you keep your shoes on in a church, in Japan it's the opposite. While this may seem arbitrary, knowing these rules makes your life easier. I believe it's better to teach the kid all the unwritten rules and when it makes sense, don't follow them. That's different from never teaching him the rules at all.

I'm not a conformist or anti anyone, I was just pointing out that people make assumptions on many little things. For example how you dress will determine how you will be perceived at a job interview. Does how you dress make you a good or bad person? Of course not, but it's always better to know these rules and if you decide not to follow them, that's fine. I believe a person's life is better if they understand what they are choosing. I hope you didn't get the impression that I condone picking on people who are different.
11:18 PM on 05/28/2011
And there worried about circumcision down in San Francisco???
11:02 PM on 05/28/2011
Of all the things we are taught in school we are never taught parenting skills.

We go by what we experienced while growing up and we either want to do the same exact thing or we are committed to being a different type of parent. Then some of us do the research to find the experts that support our particular view.

School is not a safe place for a gay, lesbian or bisexual child. At the least they may be shunned, bullied or ridiculed. At the worst their very lives could be at risk.

Nature v. nurture has been argued for generations. All of the gay/lesbian people I know were all products of heterosexual families. None of them were taught by anyone in their family to be gay. For these people neither home nor school was a safe place to be.

I think we are all probably bisexual by nature. Our current day cultural norms teach us only heterosexual relationships are acceptable. We all know that an intolerant culture can threaten our livelihoods and our lives.

We all try to do the best we can and I support the efforts of these parents 100% and wish them the best of luck because almost all parenting is a great experiment with a wide range of variables.
12:31 AM on 05/29/2011
I believe kids should be taught to be tolerant and kind towards gays and others. However, not teaching kids the rules of society will lead to a harder childhood. If you don't believe that knowing the rules of society is important, please watch the movie "Borat". If you don't teach your kid the rules, you are condemning him/her to be a "Borat". I believe kids should be allowed to choose things when they are old enough to understand the consequences of their choice. But how can they make a choice if they are uninformed? How can a kid decide if certain rules that a boy or girl are supposed to follow make sense if they don't even know them?

Say you were to visit Japan or some other foreign culture you know nothing about. Would you have a better visit if someone were to teach you the "dos and don'ts" of that culture, or would you rather offend and anger people because you have no idea what's expected? I just hope these kids don't have to hard a time.
11:15 AM on 05/29/2011
I understand your point about teaching children the 'dos and don'ts' of our culture but I think those are things like don't pick your nose, don't play with yourself in public, wear clothes when you go out side, don't fart in public, don't talk with your mouth full, don't hit other people, etc. One doesn't wait for a school to teach a child those things.

The information in this post doesn't suggest that these parents aren't providing that kind of guidance to their children. It does sound as if they are giving their child freedom to explore and freedom of expression without being guided by the genitals the child is born with. for example, it is not okay for boys to hit girls becomes it is not okay to hit other people.
That is not putting the child or others in harms way.
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Todd G Chavey
10:00 PM on 06/10/2011
Sex is for reproduction, otherwise there should be no sex within yourself. To be confused to think that what mankind calls sex is a part of your life is misleading mankind. Take it out of your life and you will not be preoccupied or confused as to wonder. You will be free to love and live life without thinking or worrying about what mankind has misused and put such a emphasis on.
10:08 PM on 05/28/2011
Those arguing against what these parents are doing (like Dr. Koplewicz), always cite the fact that gender is not socially constructed, it results from actual differences the brain. Okay. So why then is this so threatening to everyone. If indeed gender is not socially constructed, the child's brain wiring will win out, especially in an atmosphere of freedom of gender role expression. If gender is socially constructed, then it seems the most responsible thing to do, to give the child freedom to discover and express his/her gender. So whether innate and biological, or socially constructed, these parents are allowing their children to be who they really are. Win/win, no?
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cdncommentator
11:13 PM on 05/28/2011
When you actually have children and assume before they're born that they will be a clean slate with no gender and that you will attempt to be pretty neutral, you find out pretty quickly that unless you put some effort into encouraging the baby to be the other gender, he or she is in fact hard wired to be either a boy or girl. This is even more obvious when you have both a boy and a girl.

These children don't live on a Pacific island. They live in the middle of a city, where they will have to get by with others outside their family. Pretending those people don't exist is cruel. The fact that a 5 year old doesn't want to go to school and be with other children his age because he is afraid that they won't accept him is pathetic and nothing to be proud of. Keeping the child at home and "unschooling" him isn't any better.

Humans are social animals that live in society. They need social peers to live fulsome lives. If these parents want to intentionally raise boys who go against the grain, they at least ought to find like minded families and ensure that their children have a social life outside of their own family.
12:05 AM on 05/29/2011
"The fact that a 5 year old doesn't want to go to school and be with other children his age because he is afraid that they won't accept him is pathetic and nothing to be proud of. "

That situation is pathetic, but not because of Storm's parents, but because of the other children's parents. Parents should give their children freedom to express themselves without fear of ridicule, something that few transgender children receive at school or at home. You are blaming the victim and justifying the prejudice of other people.
12:42 AM on 05/29/2011
Imagine you went to a country like Japan or a culture like that where you have no idea what's acceptable or offensive. Now imagine two scenarios, one where a friend tells you the dos and don'ts of that culture, or one where you end up angering and offending people because you are completely clueless about what's polite and impolite? Please watch the movie "Borat" some time and you will see what can happen if you have no idea what's proper.

A parent's job is to teach a kid how to behave properly. A kid is not a miniature adult, they need an adult to guide them. For example if I walked into a ladies restroom many women would be very upset and might even press charges. Of course if you think about it a woman's bathroom is almost the same as a men's bathroom. Yet we both know that I'm not supposed to go to a ladies room, but a kid won't know this unless a parent teaches them. I just hope these kids don't have a miserable life.
11:17 AM on 05/29/2011
So, by this argument, we ought to program all our children with the prejudice ignorance and bigotry of EVERY country so that the child will never feel they're not part of any society they might ever become part of.
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emily tripp
Names have been changed to protect the innocent
04:58 AM on 05/30/2011
What makes you think that these parents aren't teaching their kids what is expected of them?

What they are teaching them is that Regardless of what is expected of them, it's okay to be who they are, because these particular expectations are RiDiCuLoUs.
09:50 PM on 05/28/2011
They do sound like super-hippy liberals. What names: Jazz, Kio, and Storm! I don’t think what they are doing is that bright. For one, it will draw more attention to themselves and their kid than they might otherwise want. They said they don’t want to impose society’s constraints by gender and give the child more choice, but in doing so they have already put their child in the ‘odd’ category even before he or she even learns how to talk. Also gender is a trait that is part humanity not something that is artificial created. Every culture on earth has some sort of gender norms that, granted, very from culture to culture but are still there. I understand if they are trying to make it easier for the child in case the child’s private areas do not match up with the child’s brain—and I think they are awesome for being so open minded—but chances of that happening are very small, 0.3% to be precise. In addition, what they are doing is NOT that revolutionary. It was custom in our society up until the mid-twentieth century that little boys and little girls were both treated as GIRLS into the age of 5!
11:27 AM on 05/29/2011
Is it their fault they're receiving all this attention? Or is it the result of pervasive ignorance, arrogance, misguided self-riteousness, homophobia, misogyny, and inherent bossiness when it comes to children, gender and gender identity?
01:09 PM on 05/30/2011
When you do really odd it is going to give you attention, and considering they decided to use the opportunity to give interviews to lecture the rest of the world about how right they are and how wrong everyone else is...I would say yes it is there fault they are getting all the attention.
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themightyabealrd
screw the real world-I'm an artist!
09:25 PM on 05/28/2011
The (exceedingly) rigid stereotypes many folks still cling to are not always accurate indicators of a child's gender identity. Decades ago, I took care of a little boy who played with a baby doll until he was four. He has a grown son of his own now and he and his wife recently celebrated their twentieth anniversary. A female contemporary of his was the only girl in her high school's auto mechanics class. She loved wrestling, hockey and football and hated wearing dresses. Today she is a happily married mother of two daughters. I just don't understand what it is that people find so comforting or sensible about our society's overarching need to limit what is perceived as 'acceptable' ways for children to behave in re: gender roles. Maybe it's just our old friend 'control issues'.
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cdncommentator
11:20 PM on 05/28/2011
A boy with a doll is very different than a 5 year old boy who chooses to dress and wear his hair like a girl; who identifies as a girly-boy, who carries a diary with him about other girly boys, and who is afraid to be with his peers because he's afraid of not fitting in.

Individuality is great, but children need to fit in. If you have a child who's gay, it would be unfair not to find a school/community/city where there was a substantial gay community for the child to feel part of. The same can be said of ethnicity too. But these parents are doing something and keeping the kids cloistered in the home to protect them from the real world those children will one day have to join. That is unfair.

If there are any control issues, they are the fact that these parents are most likely subtly encouraging their boys to be girly. Why is it always that the default is girly? Why pink? Why braids? If anything, I'd suspect that most girls who weren't subtly pressured into looking girly would never wear braids - which take time to do and get in the way of play!
12:58 AM on 05/29/2011
Gender matters. For example if I were to walk into a ladies room any women there would get really upset and I might even be arrested. It's one thing to teach a kid that gender roles can be arbitrary and silly, it's another thing to never teach them what's expected. For example a kid does not automatically know which bathroom to go to, a parent needs to teach them this.

Also the parents talk about choice, but ignorance does not equal choice. In fact it's impossible to make a good choice unless you are properly informed. I hope the parents listen to common sense abandon this silly experiment and I also hope the kids don't have a traumatic childhood.
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emily tripp
Names have been changed to protect the innocent
04:54 AM on 05/30/2011
Seems the kids Are "properly informed."

This is not the only article on this particular subject. Dr. Koplewicz leaves out some crucial quotes by the parents. For instance, in another article, the mother says, "There has never been any question that issues of sex and gender and the decisions relating to it are always open for Age Appropriate discussion."
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crowepps
07:26 PM on 05/28/2011
"Teaching them that they are only safe -- understood, accepted -- at home is not a very character-building message."

It does have the advantage of actually being the truth. The stories about harassment, assaults and murders in the media make it very clear to anybody that's paying attention that you are NOT safe, understood or accepted outside of your home unless whenever you emerge you don your 'culturally normal' disguise so as to deflect the attentions of those obsessed with enforcing conformity.


I'm not sure why exactly identifying the child's gender so they can be harassed by strangers about stepping outside of rigid traditional gender roles is particularly character-building. Which message is it that needs to be taught to the child: people of character withstand bullying and continue to be themselves? Or people of character understand conformity is necessary for safety?
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
07:15 PM on 05/28/2011
I think it's great. If gender is innate, it will out. Otherwise, it's a cultural straight jacket.
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11:24 PM on 05/28/2011
As a parent, I would argue that gender is a mix of nature and nurture. So, I don't think that everything will necessarily end up as it should in this experiment. Plus, I have doubts that the parents are completely neutral. The fact that their two sons have "chosen" to be girly leads me to believe that the parents subtly encourage them to go against the grain and be as unconventional as possible.

I think these kids will struggle more than they otherwise would have to: either with their gender, with their community, or one day, with their parents - who'll they'll blame for using them as an experiment.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
11:57 PM on 05/28/2011
"So, I don't think that everything will necessaril­y end up as it should in this experiment." No child turns out the way the parents think they should. Free people are always though of as unconventional. How strict a straight jacket is illustrated by your reference to the boy who wears dress and dreadlocks: Both of which are traditional MALE attire in many cultures and through a large part of humans history. Would you say that girls should have been brought up to want to marry and cook for a their man, without any career goals of their own because that was the norm 50 years ago?
12:00 AM on 05/29/2011
"I would argue that gender is a mix of nature and nurture."

Unless you can prove this with empirical evidence, your argument has no validity. Nature vs. nurture is a long-standing question in the scientific community, and the idea that a layperson who has never researched the matter holds all of the answers to the debate is ridiculous.
01:04 AM on 05/29/2011
It's important for people to know how their gender is supposed to behave. For example if I were to walk into a ladies room while women are in there, they would get upset and I might even be arrested. A child does not innately know which bathroom to go to. I agree with you that some gender rules are silly, but that does not mean that you should not know them. It's one thing to teach a kid that he/she can decide what rules to follow once they are old enough to understand their decision, it's another thing to not teach them the rules at all.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
02:30 PM on 05/29/2011
Sure, that's the law. (btw it's not that way in all countries regarding the bathrooms). So do we behave and wear cloths solely to identify what bathroom we go to? What should the transgendered folks do? If you condition the child the adult has little choice. It take a lifetime to unlearn that condition.
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josie klapper
Who can I piss-off today?
06:01 PM on 05/28/2011
Have news for the people and so called "professionals" calling this an "experiment" that each and every child is an "experiment" in child raising.
04:24 PM on 05/28/2011
Bring a 1 1/2 year old baby to my house, and I can guarantee you I will know its gender in 20 minutes. lol. When my kids were small, I was a wild child hippie, determined to raise my children in jeans, buy them any toy that they wanted, and let them be themselves. They were both girls. They had fire trucks, toy guns, dolls, grocery carts, EZ bake ovens, squirt guns, wagons, big wheels, etc. Little girls usually will sit in the wagon and steer, while sitting there happily. Little boys will turn it over and attempt to take it apart. Two neighbor boys came to our house once, and within an hour had broken or taken apart every toy in the house. LIttle boys want to see how things work. Little girls just expect everything to work when they want it. Girls like to play dolls. Little boys would rather play war or cowboys. My girls could have played with anything they wanted, and they always chose the girl toys, the dresses, the fingernail polish. I believe one is born with their gender intact, which ever it is, whether its accurate in genitalia.
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NWBrunette
Blessed Girl
04:51 PM on 05/28/2011
Nonsense. Gender expression is primarily a social, cultural construct and changes over time. The early part of last century people identified pink with boys and blue with girls. Your experience is great but grossly limited to make universal judgements.
05:15 PM on 05/28/2011
Sorry, I don't agree.Pink and blue colors are more fads then anything else. The real "meat and potatoes" is the aggression that small boys have, and I think it's inborn and genetic.

I've heard interviews given with feminist neuroscientists who tried to bring up their kids in a gender neutral way. Before they knew it,their boys, started blowing stuff up and doing all the typical boy stuff that boys do with no encouragement from their parents.

I think were a lot more animal, then we'd like to admit.
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cdncommentator
11:26 PM on 05/28/2011
It's not about the colours. It's about the behaviour and the interests. I don't know if you're a parent, but given your comments, I'd doubt it.

The comment by darthmaul is exactly on point.
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
08:44 PM on 05/28/2011
If you had known my two, you would have gotten genders wrong. It was my daughter who was the rambuncteous, contumacious, handful, and my son who was uninterested in anything but music.
03:00 PM on 05/28/2011
Honestly... I hate gender. I don't understand what the fuss is all about. In my opinion, nobody should be labeled based on something as arbitrary as genitalia and it is foolish of parents to think, that they have the power to influence their child's behavior by doing so.

After years of struggling to figure out what makes a girl, I am 22 and still stuck. I suggest that, labels or not, when it come to gender... some people will always be ostracized.
04:30 PM on 05/28/2011
Simple. if you have XX chromosome then you are a female. if you have XY then you are male.
I don't understand liberals....they are so scientific ...evolution....stem cell research and all act like super intelligent and scientific type...but cannot accept Male and Female is determined BY BIRTH. it is chromosomal....NOT in your mind.
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french queen13
my beloved is mine and I am his
08:45 PM on 05/28/2011
The basics of physical male/female are NOT the sole definers of human behaviour. That comes largely from pervasive social norms - and the more rigid they are, the more damaging.
10:25 PM on 05/28/2011
Huh? I don't know what you mean by "liberals," but I suspect it includes people who support gay rights etc. And it is typical of that support that it stems from the idea that one's sexuality is not chosen. A gay person can't help being gay anymore than a left-handed person can help being left-handed. Thus "gayness" is no more morally wrong than left-handedness.
I am probably mostly what you would call a "liberal." Yet I find these parents quite over the top. I suspect, though, that whatever those children were born to be (straight, gay, or any of a myriad of variations therein) that's what they'll be no matter what their parents do or don't do.
What IS in the mind is one's attitude towards other people.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
07:17 PM on 05/28/2011
FF. If gender is really innate and biological, then why do we work so hard to suppress "non-gender appropriate" behavior? Gender is, as sex does.
10:59 PM on 05/28/2011
then why are they working against nature to suppress it. Accept and Nurture the natural outcome
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dewey snopes
Question your beliefs
02:59 PM on 05/28/2011
I really dont care what they do !! VOTE FOR RON PAUL 2012 keep federal gov out of our bedrooms
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
07:22 PM on 05/28/2011
Right, let the multinational in, right? Libertarianism is default plutocracy. The Right, the conservatives are the most intrusive folks around. Vote for the Progressive Caucus faction of the Democrats for all offices but pres. Kucinich agrees with Ron Paul's social liberty stand, but not their laissez faire economic disaster. Free unregulated market crash and burn. Regulated fair markets thrive. .
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Venicelady
Ignorance is NOT bliss.
02:58 PM on 05/28/2011
Seems the crux of the matter is not whether someone is born male or female, but whether they are labeled "masculine" or "feminine", labels that have to do more with societal expectations of how a person should act and behave according to their ascribed roles.

Personally, I was labeled as a "tomboy" as a kid because I liked doing things only boys were supposed to do- climb trees, play softball and football, etc. My parents NEVER stopped me from pursuing these interests as a child. I had chemistry sets, telescopes, etc. Now, as a adult, I've been told by people that I "think like a man", whatever that means.

However these people raise their child, it's their business, and no one elses'. So long as the child is raised in a loving and caring environment, what is the problem? After all, in terms of life outcomes, does it really matter if someone acts or behaves in terms of traditional "masculine" or "feminine" roles?
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french queen13
my beloved is mine and I am his
08:47 PM on 05/28/2011
Well said, Venicelady! Seems to me a lot of people are feeling threatened by not knowing how to label someone. (Like FeralForever said, makes it hard to apply those double standards.)