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How Quebec Has Turned My Vote Religious

Posted: 08/29/2012 10:47 am

The 'charter of secularism' obscures what really matters
The important issues are ignored and tensions needlessly aroused

As the Quebec election approaches I find myself, unfortunately, pressured to vote for a candidate and party based on my religious sentiments and my feelings of discrimination against my community, rather than formulating my opinion based on the multitude of challenges -- economic, educational, health-related, corruption-related, and justice issues -- that face Quebec society as a whole. Can you blame me? Maybe you can, but before you issue your verdict, please hear me till the end.

The recommendations of the Bouchard-Taylor commission were supposed to relax tensions between the majority in Quebec and different minorities, and address, once and for all, the question of "accommodation." Yet after all the money that was spent and the effort that was put into the process, most of Bouchard-Taylor's recommendations were not implemented. The door was left wide open for further political games at the expense of more important issues, and to the detriment of Quebec's minorities.

Now, five years later, the Parti Québécois is reopening the issue in an attempt to win more votes at the expense of minority rights. And so those of us who would like to stand together against Law 78, against corruption, and against charging the poor more and letting the rich off easy, are forced to abandon those real battles for the fog of the PQ's "charter of secularism."

From what little we know of it, the goal of the charter is to assert secularism mainly by forbidding public employees from wearing religious symbols on the job. But what are you going to do about people's names? If your last name is Singh, or ends with -berg, or if your first name is Mohamed, will you be forbidden from identifying yourself publicly if you work for the government? Many things will give away your religious or cultural affiliation other than your "symbols."

There is another issue that many advocates of secularism are either ignorant of or choose to ignore: namely, the difference between a religious symbol and a religious obligation. As a Muslim man I can wear a verse of the Qur'an on a chain around my neck; you can call this is a religious symbol, and it is certainly optional for me. But as a Muslim I have to pray five times a day; this is a religious obligation.

For a Muslim woman who believes in the requirement to cover her hair, that covering is a religious obligation. The same applies to Sikh men. Certain attire is believed to be a religious obligation by Orthodox Jews. For those individuals, the way they dress is not a religious symbol; it is a part of practising their religion.

How can the state, in the name of any noble value, force those citizens to choose between following their religion and representing the state? What we should be doing instead is to encourage government employees -- and all of those who deal with the public -- to act professionally while at the same time exposing their cultural identity. This is the way to build real harmony in our society.

Pauline Marois and her Parti Québécois should drop this charter, which will bring nothing but social tensions and discrimination, and instead focus on the real issues that face our society: education, health, corruption and, above all, social justice.

* This article first appeared in the Montreal Gazette

 
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Postmodern Anger
11:30 PM on 08/30/2012
Have you been hired by the PQ in order to discredit the average non-PQ voter, in order to create a sentiment that you don't want to be part of their group considering how insane their arguments sounds like?
07:31 PM on 08/30/2012
I fully agree with you. in the beginning, i was considering voting PQ because there is a particularly deplorable and powerful liberal in my riding and i thought "hey, maybe i don't agree with the PQ that much, but unseating this guy would be amazing!". as the campaign has gone on and the PQ made identity politics the centre of their campaign, i cannot bring myself now vote for the PQ any more than i can bring myself to vote for the liberals, although for very very very different reasons. at least now i don't have the "strategic vote" dilemma, i can vote for the party i actually support.
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04:02 PM on 08/30/2012
Blah, blah, blah. Boohoo. Poor you. As far as I'm concerned, the proposed charter doesn't go far enough. ANY and EVERY religious symbol should be banished from Government, including the crucifix in the National Assembly. You want to work in a hospital, department of motor vehicles, etc? That means no cross, crucifix, turban, kirpan, tchador, burqa, etc. You don't like it? Don't work for the Government. Period. Nobody is forcing you. There are many ways that Quebecers are racist, this charter is not one of them. I concede that there is plenty of xenophobia to go around but making all Government offices and agencies completely secular will, in the long run, help avoid most conflicts. The current system without any clear rules and legislation is why there are so many issues brought to bear. Nobody is trying to keep anyone from praying or fulfilling their religious obligations. Government employees must appear neutral on political beliefs, religious beliefs and any other beliefs one might hold.
11:08 PM on 09/02/2012
But you are wrong, for the very reason you state! The PQ's "secular" bill is NOT proposing to make all Government agencies completely secular -- it is making them explicitly Catholic Christian!
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12:51 AM on 09/06/2012
Exactly, their bill is not completely secular, which is why I say it doesn't go far enough. It's taking the coward approach (i.e. keeping the crucifix in the National Assebly) for fear of offending the "pure laine". My comment was not a defense of the PQ secular charter. It was, in fact, an indictment. So, I'm not wrong.
12:09 PM on 08/30/2012
"For a Muslim woman who believes in the requirement to cover her hair, that covering is a religious obligation." -- Pish. this is of course a misinterpretation of a sassanid tradition of veiling gods, and then veiling upper classes (to keep themselves the 1/%) and then a filter down to lower classes and objectivization of women. and it has nothing to do with religion. It is simply a way to treat women like possessions, and as sexual objects - because women "Fitna" - the most pernicious doctrine of all. WOMEN do not cause MEN to stop the world functioning (because, as a muslim women recently wrote - you can't 'control your parts'). Stop demeaning and sexualizing women and stop pretending that veiling is religious, when it is simply misogyny, of course. If YOU don't want to look at women's hair, then DON'T DO IT. The same as Orthodox Jews - why cut WOMEN"S HAIR, so YOU don't commit adultery? Bizarre male egocentric behaviour. Move out of the dark ages, move out of blaming women for your own inadequacies, and stop using discrimination as a 'religious' argument. that is a coward's response.
09:16 AM on 08/30/2012
The best societies are those in which people are free to express themselves, as long as they do it peacefully and respectfully, and that includes religious expression. I find it very worrisome when it becomes dominated by fanatics, including anti-religious fanatics, which are just as dangerous as any other kind.
05:17 AM on 08/30/2012
Quebec has not turn your vote. You would first need to free yourself from your restrictive religious strait jacquet which turns you off any other social environment than that based on you middle aged "religious obligations". You simply have landed on the wrong continent, not to say the wrong planet.
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Kenneth T Tellis
10:16 PM on 08/29/2012
Fanatics never listen to reason. The Kebecois are not really Roman Catholics as they claim to be, but people who believe in Shaman Catholicism, Somewhat like the Santaria of CUBA.

Even their priest have UNholy orders.
05:30 AM on 08/30/2012
The "fanatics" at play were very vocal all along the Taylor-Bouchard commission. They are religious fanatics that will never integrate into any progessive societies, including Canada... They are minorities rejected by their respective religious majorities. Quebec has not turn his vote. He is turning his vote into what it was never intented to be.
09:20 AM on 08/30/2012
Whether jews, muslims, Amish, buddhists, etc., in a democratic society, they have a right to their beliefs and practices as long as they do not interfere with other peoples' rights. And nobody has a "right" not to be annoyed by different beliefs. And voting to protect basic rights is perfectly legitimate.
06:26 PM on 08/29/2012
Well it is also "your choice" to be a minority since belonging to a religion is voluntary. And I guess that "obliges" you to act like a minority which you seem to want to do. There is no actual obligation for doing this in Canada but have at it. Complaining is free.

Sadly, in your case, the majority rules in elections. And that is going to be a tough thing for you if you put your religion first in Canada. Canada is a post religious country.

And also, you are not serving the state. When you are a government employee you are the state, serving the people. We expect you to work full time with 2 breaks and a short lunch.
07:25 PM on 08/30/2012
we do have a charter of rights, and majority rule cannot override those. otherwise our "democracy" is nothing but mob rule, dictatorship of the majority, trotskyist "democratic centralism", maoist "mass bass" populism, etc. there are many names for it.
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lilkitten22
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04:49 PM on 08/29/2012
Yes, the separatists parties seem like a bunch of bigots and well, separatists, they are trying to tend to that crazy bunch so don't feel too bad not voting for them, I wouldn't either if I lived in Quebec.
07:26 PM on 08/30/2012
the PQ is doing this. ON and QS have a very different reasoning for separation and their vision of an independent Quebec is of multiculturalism, pluralism, and internationalism.
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Ian Llangan
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03:16 PM on 08/29/2012
Accommodating religious convictions within the public sphere is a complex issue which you have attempted, unsuccessfully, to reduce to a simple one. There is no specific requirement within the koran for a hijab, merely for a vague call to "dress modestly". Nonetheless, hijabs themselves are not particularly any more problematic to a society than a nun's habit or an Hutterite head scarf. It is the abaya & niqab that are unacceptable. Likewise you are free to pray 5x per day, but there is nothing in the koran that demands you must do so within work hours, nor that you must do so within a particularly alloted physical space that other taxpayers must shell out to provide. Further, the very idea of halal and kosher slaughter - particularly to un-stunned animals, is beyond the pale in terms of its cruelty and barbarity to the vast majority of citizens in this country. Rights for "religious observance" do NOT trump humane treatment of animals. While I do not agree with some of the more xenophobic undercurrents of "pur laine" Quebecois thinking, they are to be lauded and commended for finding their western culture and values worht preserving and holding paramount. No one is obliged to live here if they cannot sufficiently assimilate and adjust. When a non-Muslim woman can walk the streets of Mecca an Median clad in a scanty bikini (or less) unmolested, we will worry more about accommodating foreign belief systems.
08:25 AM on 08/30/2012
Do you really think we should base our people's rights on those available in Mecca? And BTW, a woman (or man) clad in a scanty bikini (or less) would have trouble walking unmolested in most places other than a beach, in most places in the world...
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Parketkat
03:00 PM on 08/29/2012
gotta love it...the PQ stands for protecting a culture at the total expense of any other culture. What shameful and un-canadian attitudes. I love quebec, am learning quickly to differentiate quebec from the PQ but geez! .. lets not take down that giant Jebus on a cross in the assembly hall! What hypocrytes. What they don't seem to get is that the more the try and force it down people's throats as through law and exlusions for some, the more people will resist it. Quebec, I sure hope you vote these fools out because once you vote them in, you'll have lost pretty much any sypathy anyone else in Canada had for you.
Seriously, what is going on in the world these days? The PQ about to win setting us back decades, the GOP down south getting back into the control-you-uterus game... when did the world start turning backwards!
09:23 AM on 08/30/2012
Calling the PQ un-Canadian is hilarious! Euh...yeah, that's their whole point!

The rest of that paragraph I agree with - it's a really counterproductive approach.
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Parketkat
09:51 AM on 08/30/2012
after your post I just said "Duh" out loud! (my PQ comment lol)
02:29 PM on 08/29/2012
I agree with the general sentiment of your post, and would never vote P.Q. for many reasons.

However, I still think it is important to stay clear and honest in our dissent, and not misrepresent the other side's views in doing so: they are quite easy to criticize on their own terms without having to distort them.

So, in the interests of clarity, the intent of the proposed law is to prevent religion from becoming a possible source of bias in government services by outlawing "ostentatious" (i.e. "in your face") religious symbols. The word "ostentatious" is there for a reason. Discreet ones are ok. The underlying idea is that ostentatious symbols are meant to shout, not whisper, one's religious allegiance. A government employee should not be shouting their relligious allegiance to the people they are serving. Similarly, keeping a cross in the National Assembly that has been part of the decor for decades, is seen as respect for the cultural heritage of the province, not shouting one's current religious beliefs, whereas removing it would be ostentatiously rejecting that heritage.

There is plenty to criticize in this view without having to disort it, imo.
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richard in obihiro
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08:42 PM on 08/29/2012
True. I haven't read the "charter", but it seems to forbid religious symbols, not attire. And pretending that someone whose name is Mohammed won't be able to use his name on his name tag is a bit of a stretch. The one clear issue that can be raised right now about the charter is the exception it wants to make with the cross, which it wants to still be able to use because it's not a "religious" but a "cultural" symbol. Say what? That is wrong and the cross should go too.
08:23 AM on 08/30/2012
I am unclear what you mean by your reference to the cross. Is it the discreet cross around the neck, or the cross in the National Assembly?

I actually agree that in the N.A., it is cultural. There are still some fervent Catholics around for whom it is religious, but they are a small minority. And on the other hand you have the anti-religious fanatics who want to eradicate any trace of any kind of religion from everywhere. As usual, the moderates are drowned out by the fanatics at both extremes.

I am not religious, but I think it important that a state respect those who are: freedom of religion is a right, not freedom from religion. I also believe in respecting everyone's cultural heritage: the Church has had an important role, good and bad, in Quebec, just like the Queen and the British heritage, and I respect both. We shouldn't just throw out the baby with the bath water.

That being said, I think for the benefit of social peace, we should take the cross out and put it somewhere else, and believe the charter will create more difficulties than it will solve.
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MoonJoy
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02:01 PM on 08/29/2012
It's not Quebec who turned your vote religious; it's *you*. It is *your* decision to vote according to your religion instead of everything else. Be accountable for your choices, sir; do not blame the province or the government for what you choose for yourself.
Will it or not, you live in a largely secular society, with separation of church and state. You chose to live here; deal with the consequences of your choice of location.
And, names do NOT denote religious affiliation. They may indicate your country of origin, but they don't indicate religion. If you have not figured that out yet, maybe you should be more observant of the world around you. Not all men called Christian are Catholic or even religious; the same goes for the other names of other origins.
And, while the notion of hijab is religious, the actual garments that are considered hijab are cultural.
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richard in obihiro
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08:44 PM on 08/29/2012
You've got it exactly right. The author places religion above all else, which is exactly what the "charter" wants to change.
09:25 AM on 08/30/2012
Or maybe the places fundamental rights of freedom of religion and expression above all else.
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01:57 PM on 08/29/2012
Sorry but i just cant believe that this potential misstep from the PQ is the reason why you wouldn't vote against a corrupt government like the liberals. I mean come on you care more about a religious symbol debate that having a corrupt government ? We we definitely don't have the same priorities. That's ok that's democracy.
05:33 AM on 08/30/2012
I agree with you. He is indicating ready to associate with anyone who will regress to his religious backward values. As Taliban will only associate with their alike. This one is really out of place...
05:49 AM on 08/30/2012
If anything the argument should be are you willing to keep a corrupt government in power in order to save your country from being destroyed? Anglos think so.
08:16 AM on 08/30/2012
It has not come to you that the corrupt government of "Captain Canada" in Quebec coupled with that of Stephen Harper have already done much more toward destroying "your country" in Quebec than any PQ government will ever have to do ? Never forget that religious zealots will only vote for very conservative political parties, which exclude voting PQ.
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12:09 PM on 08/30/2012
that is a very sad statement indeed