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How Not Drinking Affects Muslims' Careers

Posted: 03/14/2013 11:40 am

By Bhairavi Thanki

Aisha Khan (a pseudonym) is a 24-year-old hijab-wearing Muslim woman. Aisha is young and ambitious, so I asked her whether she felt Toronto's alcohol-friendly culture was a career impediment.

Bhairavi: Tell me about the drinking culture around you, from high school going into university.

Aisha: I grew up in a really ethnically and culturally diverse area at Jane and St. Clair. The only kids that really drank in high school were basically the rich white kids. It was never really an issue till later on in university. In the beginning I wouldn't drink and I would say that it was for religious reasons. But that was kind of the monotone answer that I was almost expected and conditioned to give.

I did experiment with drinking in university. It did have something to do with fitting in that I had to try it. How do you spurn something without trying it first, right? It just didn't appeal to me when I did do it.

BT: Was drinking an issue in university?

AK: I wouldn't say it was a huge problem in university or in high school. It started becoming more of an issue at my first job, when I worked for a communications firm. There were only 15 of us. It was tight knit and the office had a big drinking culture. I had become more observant in my faith, too, so I had more of a personal reason to refrain from it.

Whether it was taking a client out to a bar, or getting together after work for drinks, I felt like the odd person out. The firm wasn't ethnically diverse, so I just felt like the odd person out period, let alone as someone who practiced a faith. At that time I had my own insecurities around praying in the work force, or telling people I was fasting, or how I dressed and all that stuff. In retrospect I wasn't strong enough to say "it's not that I just don't drink, it's that I don't even want to be in a bar." I just felt really polarized. That's the only time I felt polarized because of drinking.

BT: Did you have a problem with friends drinking around you while you were hanging out with them?

AK: When people get tipsy is when I get uncomfortable. Not really uncomfortable, but I ask myself "should I really be here?" When there were gatherings at my first job, I would feel out of place to the point where I left events early. It felt weird to me to be the only sober person in a room full of people who were inebriated.

I didn't want to make people who did drink feel like there was something morally wrong with them. Even now I am careful about how I describe things to people, because I don't want it to seem like I am holier than thou. For example, when scholars in the Muslim community talk about "modest dressing," I don't like using that terminology when describing myself. "Modest" means different things to different people.


BT: When did you start noticing the drinking culture at your first job?

AK: Almost immediately. It was always a topic of conversation: "let's go and grab a drink." The account that I was working on, the client was notorious about it. He loved drinking and getting drunk. That was the first thing they ever told me about him. He always expected that our meetings would be in bars. At that point I was okay, or I thought I was okay, with it. But I just felt like the odd person out always. Not that anyone really made me feel that way, it was because I couldn't participate. Because it was such a socially knit workplace, you couldn't really separate the social from the professional. So I always felt like I was on the periphery.

BT: Did you ever bring it up with colleagues? Did you ever talk about it?

AK: No, I didn't. I didn't feel like it was an issue enough to bring up. I felt like it was something more personal to me and therefore it was not fair to bring it up with somebody. But I did feel that they could have been a little bit more culturally sensitive toward my belief and my faith.

BT: Was there an instance where you were purposely left out of a situation because you didn't drink?

AK: No, I wouldn't say I was purposely left out. People were always asking me to join them. I personally felt like I couldn't be inclusive. They were social drinkers, so they would hang out after a particularly long day and at the end of the week. In the beginning, I forced myself to go because I felt like I would be harming myself professionally if I didn't. But I would never be comfortable. I'd just keep thinking about how I want to get out of here.

BT: Did your leaving that work place have anything to do with that social aspect?

AK: It did play a role, in the sense that I wanted be in a work place where I could be myself. So that meant that I was comfortable enough to pray during the work day, that I was part of a group of people that socialized outside a bar.

BT: Do you think it's harder for Muslim women to function in a work place that is alcohol-centric?

AK: I think so. For women, we physically wear our religion in how we dress and how we carry ourselves. If you're wearing a hijab, it's a greater responsibility on your shoulders. I feel like I have to be much more polite and patient. Before I wore a hijab, I'd walk into bars, but now I'd never be comfortable wearing a headscarf and walking into a bar.

At my current job, they were planning on going to a bar for our Christmas party. It took a lot of guts, but I actually emailed my boss saying "feel free if that's what you want to do." And he understood and they ended up changing their plans.

Don't apologize for who you are and what your beliefs are. Frame them in a way that's very personal so someone who's in front of you doesn't feel like you're looking down on them.

BT: Do you think other Muslims face these situations on a daily basis?

AK: Sometimes my husband will go for work events for an hour or so and he will have a Coke. He isn't always comfortable, but he understands that this is the culture that he's in and he has to meet them half way on it.

BT: What do you think is a more sensitive way for work places to deal with that kind of an issue?

AK: It's hard when you're a small company, cause you're almost like a family. I can't speak for other Muslims, but I don't want to be that person who always puts a kink in the plan, or that people are going out of their way to accommodate. It makes me feel even more like an outsider. I think it's a matter of maybe once in a while going to a coffee shop, or going out for lunch or something as opposed to grabbing a drink. Making the person feel a little bit more included.

BT: Is there an open space for young Muslims to talk about alcohol and society here in Toronto?

AK: It's still taboo to bring up issues like this. Who do you talk to to say "I am struggling with not drinking?" I found the most support in other Muslim females, especially those who were starting to become more observant and who were struggling in the same way I was. There are tons of resources, scholars and imams that are open, if we look outside of our parents' circles.

I think what people don't realize is that there are levels of prohibition and levels of sin. Drinking is not that up there compared to a lot of other things. I am not saying that you should do it if you're a practicing Muslim, but you have to go easy on yourself.

Bhairavi Thanki is a copywriter, video editor and occasional blogger living in downtown Toronto. The only thing she hates more than bad puns is how much she loves them.

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12:09 PM on 03/18/2013
Hasn't she ever heard of a virgin drink? I personally don't like alcohol much, so after the first one that's usually what I go for.
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11:57 AM on 03/18/2013
I think your husband has the right idea. If this were a Gulf country, a worker might be invited to a shisha cafe. A non-smoker could sit and have a good time drinking tea or coffee and just not partake in the shisha. Similarly, in an Anglo society, a non-drinker (and this includes Muslims and other non-drinkers, including reformed alcoholics, usually adjusts by joining along for the fun and drinking a non-alcoholic beverage that is available in every bar and in every home. Vegetarians and people that keep kosher go to peoples' homes and restaurants and simply refrain from eating the things they don't like to eat.

What I hear here is someone that is seeking society to change to reflect an imported cultural tradition. It's not going to happen. It would be better for this women to just accept that and join in and simply order a sparkling water, a virgin cocktail or pop....and to be part of society. There's no reason to be uncomfortable when people are tipsy. There's a prodigious difference between someone who is a little tipsy and "fun" or more "open" and someone who is very drunk or gets belligerent.
07:33 AM on 03/18/2013
I don't think drinking alcohol or not has any affect on a person's career - many people do not drink for a variety of reasons. However, depending on the sort of job one has, I would think what does have influence, is any overt displays of one's religious faith. If one is in a job where being gregarious and socializing is part of it, then yes wearing a hijab (or yarmulke or large cross etc) may hinder professional progress because people see the religion first and the person second (if at all). Many people are very uncomfortable around conspicuous, personal, religious displays - especially if they are not of that faith themselves.
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11:59 AM on 03/18/2013
I agree. People are herd animals. We allow some individual expression, but anything too "foreign" or unfamiliar will be met with some trepidation, often completely unintended. I may want a tattoo on my face for personal, spiritual reasons, but if it puts me too far out there, it's going to impede on my career choices. The same goes for very overt displays of religiosity. We live in a secular culture and one of the reasons we aren't living in voluntary apartheid in our separate villages is because we've relegated religion to the private sphere. Islam should be no different. In this society.
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06:24 PM on 03/17/2013
"The only kids that really drank in high school were basically the rich white kids."

I wonder how those kids are doing right now. Oh, what's that? They're doing great and drinking? Surprise.
10:55 AM on 03/17/2013
I feel people who don't drink can't be be fully trusted. Alcohol is a social lubricant. If you have been drunk with a colleague and done stupid things, you get to know the inner character of people, and be more comfortable around them when sober.

Drinking simplifies social interactions. If you have ever gotten a muslim person to talk freely you would know how unnecessarily complex their social interactions are with other muslim friends and family members.
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01:20 PM on 03/17/2013
This is extreme sarcasm right? Drunkeness does NOT reveal the inner character of people. It IMPAIRS brain function. I have no idea how you can think someone with impaired brain function is the 'inner character' of people.
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06:29 PM on 03/17/2013
It's not that I don't trust them, I just don't want to be around them.
04:54 AM on 03/17/2013
A lot of people here are commenting "why doesn't this woman just go to the bar, not have a drink and socialize with her co-workers. The thing is Muslim women aren't usually permitted to be in a bar where alcohol is sold. They are banned from touching alcohol also. So it's real serious problem for them. Personally I don't believe in any religions but I do respect other people's positions and women like this have been raised this way since they were young and I always remain mindful of that. Bringing a Muslim woman to a bar is like bringing your little sister to a strip club. All women need to be treated accordingly. Sadly, I'm pretty sure that Muslim men can get away with just about anything. It seems the rules are often easier to bend for men but, for good or ill, women are held up to a higher standard of obedience. Try to keep in mind the different dynamics within individual religions.
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12:07 PM on 03/18/2013
Why are Muslim women not permitted to be in a place where Muslim men are? Where is that in the Quran? Who is doing the interpreting to come to that conclusion? Men? Of course! Again, this just shows that the whole female behaviour thing has less to do with proper behaviour and more to do with keeping women under the thumb of men. It's time for Muslim women to rise up and claim their Quran-giving equality and discard their male-interpreter-given inequality.
11:56 PM on 03/18/2013
You are totally correct in your hypothesis, however, rise of the Muslim woman is easier said than done. These women live in fear, for good reason. Changes certainly need to come about but when it comes to religious (gender dominance masquerading as religion) traditions that date back thousands of years, it's not as simple as moving to another country and starting new. They have responsibilities to their families. I think this article missed a big opportunity to address the difference between what is acceptable for Muslim husbands and wives.
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10:33 PM on 03/16/2013
The wants of the one outweigh the wants of the many. The other employees humored her by having a little "special, squeaky-wheel, non-denominational, festive gathering." Then they likely had the real Christmas Party, as planned before the complaint, at a bar without her there being Buzz Killington.
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10:22 PM on 03/16/2013
"At my current job, they were planning on going to a bar for our Christmas party. It took a lot of guts, but I actually emailed my boss saying "feel free if that's what you want to do." And he understood and they ended up changing their plans."
If this woman is so observant to her muslim customs, why is she attending a Christmas Party at all? Any money the rest of the employees ended up having a second "unofficial Christmas Bash" at a bar without her.
03:25 PM on 03/17/2013
That they changed the plans for their Christmas party solely for her benefit is astounding. Equally astounding that they still call it a "Christmas" party. At my place of work we have to call it a "Holiday" party.
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10:22 AM on 03/16/2013
Alcohol is for the young and stupid. Once in a while one of them dies and it is too late for him to say "Wow. That was the stupidest thing I have ever done". Anyone who has had to deal with a drunk or an alcoholic knows how stupid it is. Smoking is stupid too. And so are the illegal drugs. Expensive re money and really expensive re the user and it is amazing how stupid the non users see the users who are convinced they are fine though they are really not and are usuually really annoying. Really really annoying.
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10:24 AM on 03/15/2013
I think it is unwise to drink with your co-workers. Oh, you can go have one drink after work, for a bonding thing, but beyond that you are really asking for trouble, because you dont know which of your colleagues can be trusted with the type of things that can happen when a person has several drinks. My rule is that I do not drink with the people I work with, and I try not to socialize with them outside of work. It is best to keep your work life and your personal life separate.
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09:11 PM on 03/14/2013
I have a great suggestion, drop the stone age fairy tale beliefs, ditch the sexist hijab (women have to be modest but all the guys can wear western clothes no problemo) and join the modern world and have a drink.
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09:30 PM on 03/14/2013
What is so "modern" about drinking? Consuming alcohol has been around since the dawn of mankind.
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11:14 AM on 03/15/2013
I was referring to not believing in imaginary men in the sky more so than drinking booze.
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08:56 PM on 03/14/2013
I don't drink and I can still go to a bar ..they have other refreshments without alcohol in them.
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10:26 PM on 03/16/2013
Yes, but then you can't drag a religion into the mix and ruin everyone else's fun. What fun is that?
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01:43 PM on 03/17/2013
why do you think people with a religious drag it into every conversation? I am a Christian and I have never talked about religion unless someone else starts and nobody would know I was a Christian unless I told them. And AcunningDisguise simply said they DIDN'T DRINK, not that they had any religion.
06:14 PM on 03/14/2013
Oh please - lots of people don't drink for different reasons. I grew up in the Mormon faith - where you don't drink; don't smoke and don't drink coffee or caffienated tea or coke (the soda not the drug)!. While I no longer practice, i still don't drink alcohol, coffee (or smoke) for health reasons. But not drinking never prevented me from going to a bar and socializng with coworkers or clients. In my experience if you don't make a big deal of it, no one else will.
07:40 AM on 03/17/2013
islam is all about making it the big deal
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12:43 PM on 03/19/2013
Unfortunately, I think this is currently the case. The crisis in Islam itself and its relationship with societies and modernity is being dealt with not by searching for new expression, but by being strident. This is happening in Muslim-majority countries where political Islam is becoming more strident and ascendant, and it is happening with the hijab phenomenon (that is, girls whose mothers never wore a hijab are taking it on as a political statement).

What is truly interesting is that the excuse for such blatant displays of "righteousness" and religiosity are the exact opposite of "modesty", which is the reason given for wearing the hijab (often paired with tight pants and high heels) in the first place.

Trying to look different as a political statement and trying your best not to fit in is the exact opposite of "modesty".

If Muslim women really took the "modesty" commandment to heart, they'd practise their religion at home, be comfortable with all people of many faiths and no faith at all, and not try to project "righteousness by hijab" in public. That would be real modesty - not covering one's hair.
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06:34 PM on 03/17/2013
There are absolutely no negative health effects in regards to coffee. So drop that as your reason because it's ridiculous.
08:50 AM on 03/18/2013
I should clarify - I agree with you that moderate coffee drinking is not a health issue for the majority of people. However, my reasons for not drinking coffee or alcohol are due to health - I have significant problem with acid reflux/indigestion, take medication for it and found that alcohol and coffee really made things worse. So no its not a serious health issue, but I've had to make a lot of dietary changes like no spicy food; no deep fried food and elimination of alcohol and coffee to manage it.
05:56 PM on 03/14/2013
There are lots of people who do not drink for a variety
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04:09 PM on 03/14/2013
Excellent article. I'm a practicing Musslim, and I grew up as the only Musslim with 'normal' white kids. Although it was a decent crowd, when they started drinking at social functions and going out to bars as soon as they turned 19, that was like a line in the sand for me. I did not want to accompany them to this next phase, and so I excused myself from their lives as the drinking became more and more frequent. At university, I was careful, avoided parties and pubs, concentrated on school and sports, and made it through. The 'holier-than-thou' factor is definitely seductive. It was easy to look down on others' weaknesses. Of course, anyone familiar with Isslam knows that arrogance is antithetic to success, theologically speaking, so there was some work for me to do in becoming less judgmental. Having never had a drink, I still equate alcohol with a deficiency of intelligence. I'm still working on the arrogance part. God says in the Quran [2:219]" They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit." I see the good (social lubricant, mild health benefits)and the bad(addiction, disease,social problems)and I have made my choice.
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05:26 PM on 03/14/2013
The desire for intoxicants is hard wired into human DNA. If the God of the Arabs wanted her human creations not to crave intoxicants would she not have written the DNA code differently so as to eliminate all desire for psychotropic substances?
05:57 PM on 03/14/2013
That's weird, how come I never have desire to drink if it's hard wired in my DNA? Am I wired differently?
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09:28 PM on 03/14/2013
Please cite your source that the desire for alcohol and other intoxicants is classified in the human genome.

I'm closing in on 40 years old and have never had a sip of alcohol in my life or a toke of marijuana, and I've never once had the desire to. So does that make me not human?
09:02 PM on 03/14/2013
somehow suicide missions / dressing women in tents and subjugating minorities is not a sign of deficinency of intelligence in islam. drinking is. yeah, perhaps people don't see a difference between drinking for social reasons vs. getting wasted.
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02:25 AM on 03/15/2013
Thanks for coming out. Feels good to get it off yer chest, don't it? Keep on keepin on.