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Don't Blame the Shootings on Guns

Posted: 07/22/2012 11:40 am

The recent shootings at an outdoor party in Toronto and a crowded theatre in Colorado at a viewing of The Dark Knight have highlighted the poor understanding many well intentioned people have of the connection between guns and violence.

One of the reasons that James Holmes, the alleged mass murderer in Colorado, was able to gun down 12 people and injure 59 others is that no law abiding citizen in the theatre had their own gun to shoot him dead. His murder spree could not have been as successful without the rest of the people in the theatre being defenceless. Colorado has a concealed carry law -- meaning citizens may carry concealed weapons so long as they have a permit to do so. Sadly, the only armed person in the theater that night was Holmes.

In the wake of the shootings in Toronto, many politicians and pundits have automatically blamed the availability of handguns for the senseless violence almost as though the guns themselves are possessed by evil spirits.

It is perhaps in our nature in these situations to look for easy answers, and by easy, I do not mean those that are the easiest to believe or understand, but rather the easiest to discuss in public or promise to concerned citizens.

Shootings in Toronto must be caused therefore by some combination of guns, lack of social programs and poverty. Despite the fact that such a notion is a slander on the poor, most of who are upwardly mobile and eventually free themselves from poverty's embrace.

Blaming society for a lack of social programs that encourage children to be productive and decent human beings suggests a sense of entitlement that presumes other people responsible for raising the children of strangers. Such programs are useful and I support their existence, but the State is a broadsword, not a scalpel. It will never be as capable of molding the family unit as parents or relatives. If it takes a "village" to raise your children don't be surprised when the children disappear.

The responsibility for the deaths of Joshua Yasay, 23, and Shyanne Charles, 14, murdered senselessly on the streets of Scarborough rests solely in the hands of their murderous killers and the constituent parts of their broken family homes.

The madman in Aurora, Colorado, who purportedly believed he was "The Joker," was pervious to his infamy, a medical student with nothing but a traffic ticket on his record. Any blanket law prohibiting him from gun ownership would also prohibit perfectly law abiding citizens from purchasing firearms. If he was determined to commit his massacre, and his explosives laden apartment suggests he was, he would have been able to obtain weapons regardless of what the law proscribed. Criminals do not follow rules, and when they do we call them something else -- bankers.

It is important for people to understand that stories where a gun is used in an act of aggression and someone dies make news. Stories in which guns save lives or protect people and their property are significantly less interesting to audiences, even though some estimates place such encounters as occurring as often as two million times a year in the United States.

Everyone wants to take guns away from criminals, but people need to have a rear view of history that stretches back further than the last five seconds, the last five years or even the last 50. History teaches us that in places you would not want to live; Uganda under Idi Amin, Germany under Adolf Hitler or Cambodia under Pol Pot, citizens were disarmed before they were destroyed. This is real history.

There must be reasonable accommodation made between the robust ability of citizens to maintain arms and screening mechanisms to limit the purchase of weapons by criminals and the unfit. The overriding problem in Toronto, Canada and Aurora, Colorado this past week were madmen with guns, not guns in the hands of men.

Let's hope these tragedies are a wake-up call for movement in the right direction, not simply the one with the least resistance.

 

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09:57 PM on 08/08/2012
Who needs an assault rifle and other weapons of military combat for personal use? Why are they legal?

Most people conveniently forget the full text, and the context, of the 2nd Amendment: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

If state militias keep such weapons that's one issue. The interpretation of the right of states to possess ordnance of such caliber as also an individual's right makes no sense whatsoever. As with other issues that change over time to better suit society's true needs the 2nd Amendment should have been amended at least a century ago. The citizen militias of Colonial America no longer exist. No one needs his weapon at home if called to duty. No one needs guns intended to quickly wound and kill as many people as possible in his/her home.
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Blodo
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01:47 PM on 08/02/2012
"One of the reasons that James Holmes, the alleged mass murderer in Colorado, was able to gun down 12 people and injure 59 others is that no law abiding citizen in the theatre had their own gun to shoot him dead."

One of the canned talking points of the NRA. The indisputible statistic on gun deaths has Canada at about .56 gun homicides per 100,000 while the US has more than five times that at 2.97. Both are multicultural societies with similar unemployment rates. The US is NOT safer than Canada, it is much less safe. Therefore any argument suggesting that a heavily armed population deters gun violence is dead in the water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence
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Ike Awgu
03:21 PM on 07/27/2012
One of the more than 2 million times a year (in the United States) that guns protect lives or property:
http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/bios/story/conceal-and-carry-stabbing-salt-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx

I'm enjoying the discussion here, though apparently many of you aren't my biggest fans. Yet.
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Blodo
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03:08 PM on 08/02/2012
I'm not even a little fan of yours, nor is it at all likely I will become one. Your argument is largely anecdotal, ignoring the international statistics that overwhelmingly correlate lax gun laws with increased homicide rates.

Further, you misstate history. It was not Hitler and the Nazis that curtailed gun ownership in Germany. That occurred through the Law on Firearms and Ammunition introduced by the Weimar regime in 1928, as a way of checking the growing power and beligerance of the Nazi brownshirts. All I can say about that is it is a shame they did not succeed.
12:55 PM on 07/27/2012
Yes, people sometimes try to kill each other. It's extremely effective when you use a machine made expressly for that purpose. Its less effective with other things.
12:18 PM on 07/27/2012
Lawyer eh?
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03:17 PM on 07/26/2012
These highly publicized mass shootings by crazy people or criminal gangs are actually quite rare and account for only a small number of the total firearms victims every year. The U.S. with its greater availability of guns has twice the number of firearms deaths per capita than Canada. Most are suicides, and a pretty significant number come from someone in the household being shot, either in a domestic dispute or by accident.

Gun control and regulation should be based on those statistics, not on the relatively rare mass shootings by crazy people or gangs. Note also that a significant portion, if not the majority, of illegal firearms in Canada and Mexico come from the U.S., where they are bought legally.
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11:23 AM on 07/25/2012
Don't blame the shooting on guns huh.......okie dokie....let's blame it on knives....no....let's blame it on stones....no...ok...let's blame it on GUNS.............Do you work for the NRA???
07:31 PM on 07/24/2012
James Holmes is a schizophrenic - it attacks some young men in their 20's - who may have been a little "odd" growing up or extremely shy - it brings on delusions - some suffer, some commit suicide, a few are so delusional they act out. There is medication that can help. However, answer me this - someone please. Why should we allow anyone - anyone to buy an assault rifle - who needs these - they are not hunting guns - fine - keep hunting guns, keep handguns - but assault rifles? Besides the writer is wrong - it would not have helped if anyone was carrying a concealed weapon in this case - Holmes threw in tear gas canisters - no one could see - if someone with a concealed weapon shot it - it would have been even more people hurt or killed. I am not being sarcastic, or belligerent - please oh gun people - who needsor should have an assault rifle - except the military - what person needs one of these? If there is a good answer out there - just tell me. Without an assualt rifle as he had - the carnage would have been a lot less - that is a fact.
08:25 PM on 07/26/2012
Now who seems 'overwrought'. (Sorry had to say that sweetie.)
02:12 PM on 07/24/2012
Keep this nonsense to south of the border, please. It doesn't belong here. Thank you...
07:57 AM on 07/24/2012
Ike, you seem to forget one basic fact, as do most people who push the concealed-carry crap, you can only carry your concealed weapon in places where property owners have not prohibited them. There are many stores and establishments that will clearly post in entrances that firearms are prohibited. This is the decision of the owner and that decision is also their right. So you relax all the concealed-carry laws and let everyone carry, store/property owners get fed up with it, then ban firearms on their property. Perfect. Now how much further has society come, and how many people have died for it? I can also guarantee, that store owners will have more support from the general population in making sure that their right to ban firearms on their property is protected, than support for those who feel that owners shouldn't have that right.
04:25 PM on 07/23/2012
Shallow thinking sophists like Ike will never get it.
05:06 PM on 07/23/2012
Deep swimming pseudophilosophical Froggies got it all figured out.
02:52 PM on 07/23/2012
Right. If everyone carried a gun at all times, we'd all be much safer.

It's been a while since I've been a regular on the nightclub scene but thinking back I'm quite certain that a bar full of drunk young men with handguns would be about the safest place on earth.

I was at a western final between BC and Saskatchewan a few years back at BC Place (or whatever they're calling it now). There were probably 10,000 Riders fans among a crowd of 45,000. And a lot of drinking. A drunk Riders fan behind me got punched after he was verbally abusive to a BC fan's girlfriend (I think Riders fans are the best fans in the CFL by the way). I wonder how things would have gone if everyone involved and everyone around them had guns. It could take the CFL rivalry to a whole new level. I go camping and from time to time a group at the campground gets partying late in the evening while other more family oriented groups suffer. Add guns! Problem solved.

It would be easy to go on with situation after situation...

The position is ludicrous. Don't hire this writer as your lawyer - he doesn't have a clue.
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Cynthia Dudley
11:26 AM on 07/23/2012
No one in their right mind could possibly believe that someone in a darkened theatre trapped in a theatre seat could have stopped a prepared, bullet-proof vest suited armed gunman if they has simply had a pistol in their pocket. That is simply false- the best trained soldier could at best have gotten off a few shots that would have been as likely to hit another patron as the gunman. Though you are right- it is not the gun that is the problem, it is a mindset that honors the gun above the citizen and that allows a tool designed for killing things to become a toy.
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Ike Awgu
03:50 PM on 07/27/2012
Thanks for your comments Cynthia. I do wonder however from where you obtain such certainty that an armed moviegoer could not have done something to stop or slow down the killer. At the very least, the most accurate thing to say is, I think, that we will never know.
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Cynthia Dudley
09:35 AM on 07/28/2012
We don't know but the odds are against an unprepared armed citizen defeating an armed opponent in bad conditions. The gunman came prepared to take shots to the body. What stopped the gunman was the essential crappiness of a gun designed to spray bullets instead of shot them.
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D J B
11:06 AM on 07/23/2012
This is ridiculous and you are ridiculous. Seriously. The whole argument of guns save lives is old, tired and I think most people are done with it. This argument is so 1980's.
02:37 PM on 07/23/2012
Thats true, soldiers should fight with rubber bands.. Thats more 2012.
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D J B
03:35 PM on 07/23/2012
I thought we were commenting on the OP and not soldiers with guns. But continue taking everything out of context.
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Mike vdB
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04:20 PM on 07/23/2012
So with your logic every citizen should be considered a soldier?
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JeanFrancois Lord
10:42 AM on 07/23/2012
"is that no law abiding citizen in the theatre had their own gun to shoot him dead.", but when selling guns to people, is it written in their firehead, who is crazy? law abiding? tug? criminal? unstable now or in the future? in the process of a divorce?
Also dude, we are not in the far west anymore. and as much as you like to think you are jhon wayne, for each heroic jhon wayne moment, there were tugs with legal guns (at the time, remember far west), doing multiple bad stuff first. so.... yes, your 1 hero , still had multiple victims first.