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A Vegetarian's Defence of The Seal Hunt

Posted: 07/31/2012 8:30 pm

Normally I am a fan of Bill Maher. For an American he seems to have an unusual amount of common sense, awareness of the world and he isn't afraid to call out any side in a debate if they stray into the territory of the absurd. Given all of that, I was a little surprised and saddened to learn that he had taken on the seal hunt as a pet cause.

First, his position smacks of PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals). Maher probably isn't aware of this but, in most of Canada PETA has a reputation rivaled only by the Westboro Baptist Church.

Some don't like PETA for their blatant and repeated racism. Other people dislike them for their attacks on people who are overweight, their patriarchal celebration of thin, nude, often abused women and the implication that meat is somehow the difference between the two.

Still others were offended by the singer Morrissey's comparison of dead children in Norway to fried chicken. That statement from PETA's "U.K. Person of the Year" tied in nicely with PETA's advertising following the murder of Tim McLean in 2008. As an aside, it is perhaps not entirely coincidental that the Westboro Baptist Church also had an opinion on McLean's murder.

Personally I do not even consider PETA a credible organization.They claim to be supporters of animal rights, but they do not get involved in issues around disappearing habitat, or protection of endangered species. They do not even seem interested in the thousands of animals euthanized at animal shelters daily. What I see is an organization that shows pictures of cute animals to wealthy, gullible young people and rakes in donations. I have been a vegetarian since 1991 but, thanks to PETA's influence, I now tell people that I don't eat meat, except for seal.

All of that though is about the organization, not the issue. On the issue of the seal hunt, Maher is simply ignorant. Seals are hunted for food, fur, fat and bone in parts of the world where very little agriculture is possible and where very few things live. They have been a part of the Inuit diet for thousands of years, at a minimum. The people who hunt seal "commercially" primarily in Labrador also have a long history with the seal. Most of the individuals involved come from families that have been hunting seal since the dawn of North American settlement and whose families have earned their living from the sea for longer than that.

In the areas of the world where seals are hunted there are few, perhaps no, viable alternatives. There are limited economic opportunities and few other food sources. Food imported from southern regions, by small planes when weather permits, is prohibitively expensive. With "$105 cases of water, $28 heads of cabbage and $55 boxes of infant formula," a week's groceries might cost as much as a seal skin coat.

Maher said in his letter to Bob Rae that:

The fact that seals have been killed for hundreds of years is no excuse for continuing to kill them. For thousands of years, people held slaves and treated women and children like property, but tradition is no justification for cruelty.


I agree with the sentiment, tradition does not justify cruelty, however there is absolutely no basis to make a comparison between the situation Maher describes and the seal hunt. In the case of slavery, there was the option of paying people for their labour. In the case of treating women and children as property there was the option of simply not doing that. For the people who hunt seal there are few viable options short of the government paying them a substantial salary to not hunt seal. Maher's comparison of the seal hunt to slavery is simply another example of the kind of over-the-top, ignorant rhetoric that has caused PETA to be vilified, even among many vegetarians and animal advocates.

The reality is that the seals being hunted are not an endangered species and are not being hunted in numbers that might cause them to become endangered. I find it sad that someone with the profile and obvious intelligence of Maher has chosen this issue to become vocal about. Personally I think America's endless wars, culture of violence, domestic and international human rights record, the shredding of its constitutional protections, its vast disparity of wealth, growing poverty rate and record rates of incarceration seem more worthy of attention.

However, if he wants something to criticize Canada over, the current government's environmental record, the Alberta tar sands or the deplorable conditions under which many of its First Nations people live would be a better place to start.

If it is animals that he is concerned about Maher might want to get involved with organizations working to preserve habitat and protect endangered species. He might work to raise funds for shelters and sanctuaries or simply encourage people to spay and neuter their pets. He might even decide to work on global warming, as an issue because it poses a greater risk to seal populations than hunting does. It is his decision to make, obviously, but choosing the seal hunt as an issue from his home in Los Angeles simply makes him look like another out-of-touch, over privileged and entitled Hollywood celebrity.

I personally have never been to Nunavut, or Labrador. They are not easy places to get to and I would need a good reason to go. However, before I asked the people there to dramatically change their lifestyles, traditions, occupations, incomes and diets I would feel obligated to go, to meet the people and to talk to them about the seal hunt first. I would encourage Bill Maher to do the same.

 

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Normally I am a fan of Bill Maher. For an American he seems to have an unusual amount of common sense, awareness of the world and he isn't afraid to call out any side in a debate if they stray into th...
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07:40 PM on 08/24/2012
Hunting by Inuit is separate from the commercial seal hunt by full time fishermen. Fishermen admit to wasting the seals they've killed back into the ocean because there i no market for them. The rest are stockpiled at taxpayers expense. 90% of customer base was lost when Russia banned Canada's seal products. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/dean-pogas/seal-hunt-canada_b_1429696.html
01:36 PM on 08/26/2012
A favoritie lie by seal hunt supporters, to make it appear that the Inuit are the ones performing the mass slaughter. It's full time fishermen people, and they admit there's no money in it. They say they just kill for "sport" at tax payer expense. So many violations!
09:40 AM on 08/03/2012
Google American Legend Auctions....North American Fur Auctions....European Fur Breeders Association, just for a start. Fur industry isn't restricted to east coast Canadians......sorry. For the Canadian finger pointers you may want to check Statistics Canada Fur Production By Province or Territory.
09:36 AM on 08/03/2012
Let's keep the right wing out of the bedrooms of consenting adults and the left wing animal rights fundamentalists out of our kitchens and clothes closets
02:20 PM on 08/25/2012
The customer base isn't there, no matter how you personally label people.
09:33 AM on 08/03/2012
Regards subsistence hunting and Inuit. This is racist and discriminatory. Why should they not be allowed to get the most from a sustainably / humanely harvested and plentiful resource. Do anti seal hunt zealots in Toronto , New York, London, L.A , Hollywood live a subsistence life. DO YOU? The standards for aboriginal and non who hunt seals are the same. Bullets have no race.
02:22 PM on 08/25/2012
You obviously haven't been to witness commercial seal hunt. Violations of Marine Mammal Regs are routine and go without penalty because Dept. of Fisheries and Oceans won't attend. The fishermen arent' killing there dinner. Pelts are being stockpiled for fur markets which are closed. Inuit are still allowed to sell in EU, so how is it discriminatory?
09:29 AM on 08/03/2012
Harp seals are cruel cruel mommy's , they abandon their babies after just 12 days. The poor baby's then must fend for themselves . I think we need to call child protective services on these bad bad mommy's . They shouldn't be allowed to have baby's.
02:25 PM on 08/25/2012
Pups are loaded with extra fat before this point so that they will be able to survive and then be encouraged to learn to swim and find food for themselves. A study of them will show you this. However, the time frame you speak of, before they know how to swim, etc. is when fishermen kill them. ( Day 12 beginning their first molt)
09:27 AM on 08/03/2012
Canada's harp seal population is 9 million. 400, 000 seals may be culled representing less than 5% of the population total. The 2012 hunt landed 70,000 animals......less than 1% of the population total.
02:26 PM on 08/25/2012
85% of pups drowned due to poor ice conditions. Funny you didn't factor that into your math. You're burping back DFO numbers, known for running fisheries into peril.
09:24 AM on 08/03/2012
The seal hunt is a de facto cull. The products are sold. The EU never banned killing seals. They do it too. They just don't use the carcass. Check the European Fur Breeders Association web site fact sheet. 60,000 Europeans are employed in fur industry. It's important for rural communities, and is valued at 1.6 BILLION euros.
Yet Animal rights fundamentalists picked poor Canadians with little power as the poster boy for animal cruelty?
02:28 PM on 08/25/2012
Lying to people is only making them realize how ridiculous the seal hunt is. You give no proof of anything you say. Go to the EU website. Seal products from Canada are banned because of cruelty. The ban does not include the Inuit. Stop thinking that because you make up stories, people will believe them.
09:10 PM on 08/01/2012
Ugh...really? There is NO justification for killing baby seals for their fur. None. There's not even a market for seal fur anymore. Like the majority of people worldwide, most Canadians get this without it having to be spelled out in one-syllable words.

This is what comes from believing every malicious and unfounded rumour floating around the Internet. Of course PETA's not universally loved -- they say things that are true and important, but not necessarily pleasant to hear, and they're more interested in getting their message out and being effective than in becoming well-liked (which is why I love them).

By the way, Bill Maher is a longtime PETA ally, so you don't have to explain the group to him. Especially since you don't understand that PETA doesn't just give lip service to protecting endangered species and animals in shelters, they win victory after victory to make life better for those animals, as well as for non-cute animals like rats (though I think they're cute), cockroaches, snakes, etc. Concerned about spay/neuter? Good. So is PETA, which operates mobile clinics to perform the procedures at low/no cost. Don't really know the facts? LMGTFY: PETA.org.

Standards must really be slipping to let something like this get posted...
10:51 PM on 08/23/2012
You do realize that the killing of baby seals has been banned since the 1987 right? If we look at some facts (sorry - you need to go beyond PETA and read some FACTS), you'll quickly discover two things:

1) PETA continues to use images and slogans regarding cute baby seals to call for an end to the hunt, even though this is already a highly regulated industry where baby seals are not hunted...
2) Adult seals, which are harvested for pelts, meat, and oil, are far from endangered (and no, they are not even cute or cuddly) and they are killed in a way that is much more humane then any North American livestock.

So, by refusing to use scientific facts, by refusing to acknowledge changes in regulation and enforcement over the past 15 years, and by knowingly insisting on hiding the realities from a gullible public, how can you look at PETA and see it as anything other then a well implemented fundraising scam?
01:12 AM on 08/25/2012
Myth: It is illegal to kill baby seals in Canada.

Fact: Baby seals are the primary target of the commercial seal slaughter. In Canada, newborn "whitecoat" harp seals are protected from hunting. But as soon as they begin to shed their white coats—as young as 12 days of age—these baby seals can be legally hunted by sealers. In fact, 97 percent of the seals killed in the commercial seal hunt over the past five years have been "beaters"--seals between 12 days and 3 months old, and most were one month old or less. At the time of slaughter, many of the pups had not yet eaten their first solid meal or taken their first swim. Sealers target the baby seals because their skins are in "prime" condition and fetch the highest prices.

These are not PETA claims - not a fan of them myself - these are the statistical facts. So perhaps you should get your 'scientific' facts straight before dressing someone else down.
02:29 PM on 08/25/2012
Regurgitating DFO lies. Harp seals can be killed when they begin their first molt (day 12 of life) 95% of those killed in Canada are pups between 12 days and 90 days old)
12:23 PM on 08/01/2012
Thanks for the article. You can be "not against" the seal hunt and not be a knuckle-dragging barbarian. I hope more people understand that it's not a "right / left" issue (people who aren't against the hunt are often lumped into the former, and against - like Maher - the latter). What I'd like to also see are stats on what culling rates by humans would be in the interest of managing arctic ecosystems if they did an outright ban on the hunt. We might be surprised at how many we'd still be slaughtering.
02:31 PM on 08/25/2012
What would be the need for the slaughter? DFO admits killing them isn't for fish recover. Over fishing is the cause of low cod stock. Nature won't "over-breed" itself out of food. Mess with one aspect of the food web, and all other parts go off balance.
06:04 AM on 08/01/2012
I read this piece carefully, and Beach lends no credibility to his "argument" whatsoever. Killing seals for their skins is morally reprehensible. Period. And nothing in his PETA-hating rant refutes that on iota.
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06:51 PM on 08/01/2012
You didn't read it closely enough if you missed, "Seals are hunted for food, fur, fat and bone in parts of the world where very little agriculture is possible and where very few things live."
02:32 PM on 08/25/2012
There is more than one hunt. Inuit hun and eat and use for clothing. The commercial seal hunt, which animal orgs are fighting, is performed by commercial fisherm and doesn't feed anyone. Seals that aren't wasted back into the ocean are stockpiled for fur, at taxpayer expense, for markets that are closing year after year.
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07:37 PM on 08/01/2012
Particularly since the commercial seal hunt is done with a view to sending those skins to cover white people who live in the developed world and same with any other products obtained. The rest of the world is speaking out against what Canada is doing, and they don't want these bloody skins. PETA is just one of many organizations that are speaking out against what we do here and they represent the rest of the world. The European Union was moved to ban the products because they listened to their people. Russia also listened to their people and subsequently banned the importation. And what every seal slaughter supporter likes to forget is that the EU ban specifically mentioned that those indigenous peoples who still hunt, will have a market.

One more sad attempt to slam PETA because it's the easy thing to do especially if you ignore all the good that that group has done.
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01:42 AM on 08/01/2012
What about the horrible existence of a battery hen. Oh...wait...chickens with cut-off beaks aren't as cute. Oh well.
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10:08 PM on 07/31/2012
When animal rights lovers stop feeding their dogs and cats meat, I might pay some attention to their concern for animals
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07:38 PM on 08/01/2012
No you wouldn't. You'd just slam them for forcing their pets to go against nature. Another excuse to not care in general.
02:33 PM on 08/25/2012
Makes no sense.
07:40 PM on 07/31/2012
The real issue to contemplate is that seals are conscious beings.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/x-prize-foundation/non-human-consciousness-e_b_1724409.html?utm_hp_ref=green&ir=Green
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Earlier this month, some of the leading scientists from around the world congregated at the Hotel Du Vin in Cambridge to discuss the evidence that has amassed over the years. The experts reached a unanimous decision that animals -- specifically mammals and birds -- are in fact conscious beings."
06:58 PM on 07/31/2012
I may not agree with every point Beach makes, but nonetheless, well said.

And Maher IS wrong, and is on the wrong side of issues with increasing regularity. The hunting of seals, immunizations, his freakish insistence that audiences must be silent in the face of offensively racist and homophobic "jokes" from comedians...

Maher's no liberal, no progressive, no libertarian, and not even a tiny bit democratic when he insists that a comedian's rights trump all, and audiences have no right to complain, protest, or boycott comedians who substitute racist or homophobic offensiveness for humorous content.

I wonder, by extension does Maher believe his right to be completely wrong trumps everyone else's right to point that out to him?
05:16 PM on 07/31/2012
For someone who says he agrees that "tradition does not justify cruelty," Beach certainly seems hell-bent to justfiy it. Bashing baby seals in the head, hooking them in the eye and dragging them across the ice, and sometimes even skinning them alive - if that isn't cruelty, I don't know what is. And the author clearly hasn't done his homework, or he would know that the seal hunt is NOT sustaining seal hunters; that fewer and fewer of them are even participating now because practically no one in the world is willing to buy seal pelts after learning from reputable organizations such as PETA about the extreme cruelty involved. In fact, Canadian MPs are even admitting that the seal slaughter is costing the country much more money than it brings in and are considering a bill that would end it. Get with the times, Beach. No one supports the seal slaughter now.
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10:09 PM on 07/31/2012
"Baby" seals have not been killed since 1983
06:05 AM on 08/01/2012
Wrong. White coated seals are no longer bludgeoned to death, but young seals, just weeks old (certainly babies) ARE killed. Look it up on the Canadian Fisheries site, they don't even lie about it.
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09:26 AM on 08/01/2012
no...but everyone wants leather jackets....purses....and shoes.......yup yup