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Shoving Wind Power in People's Faces

Posted: 02/14/2012 7:16 am

Out of the blue last November, Canadian Auto Workers (CAW) began the (non-union labour) construction of an industrial wind turbine on the grounds of its Family Education Centre, a facility designed to "encourage...people ...to discuss their problems and debate the major issues of the times."

Despite all the places CAW could have located the mammoth structure, it picked Port Elgin, "considered -- one of the leading recreational playgrounds in Ontario" for an industrial wind turbine. CAW's vacant 128-acre property nearby was deemed too environmentally sensitive. Besides, the land had just been subdivided and its lots stood to rake in $2 million. The FEC's densely-populated neighbourhood didn't have such sensitivities.

The turbine's proposed location was so beautiful, it posed a problem: the land's picturesque, clean beach and nature trails led to its classification as a tourist and recreational community. Therefore, the turbine's noise emission would exceed legislated standards. Not easily deterred, CAW found a quick fix: Classify the small tourist community as "urban" on the turbine application since acceptable noise emission levels are higher. No one will notice. The scheme worked, and the Ministry of Environment (MOE) approved it. Voila.

Residents angrily protested that CAW hadn't allowed democratic participation in this huge decision that affected the community's health, safety, environment, property values, tax base, and their main source of revenue: tourism. The community complained that CAW hadn't been open and honest. Yet, CAW President, Ken Lewenza, denied this allegation. "We have made a concerted effort to engage and inform the community about our planned construction of the windmill."

He explained that CAW distributed leaflets to less than half the community in 2004, and held an open house in 2005. Ken went on to say that anyone could have attended the Ontario Municipal Board hearings if they'd wanted. He also added there were postings to the Ontario Environmental Registry. People just needed to look there. Ken continued, "with sincere intentions...for open and honest dialogue with the community...in the spirit of neighborliness..." CAW will "establish a local committee that will fully monitor the turbine's operation." And, he added, "This offer goes far beyond any piece of provincial legislation that currently exists."

No doubt current legislation was on Ken's mind. Back in 2009, CAW had obtained its 800kw turbine approval a mere months before provincial 550m setback legislation was enacted. A little MOE grandfathering fixed the problem and the turbine moved ahead. Now, two years later, using that outdated approval certificate, CAW was being accused of ignoring current provincial legislation designed to protect health and safety. The community claimed that CAW's turbine (located only 210m from the nearest home) was, in effect, illegal. To make matters worse, the Ontario Environmental Tribunal had just ruled that "the debate was not one about whether wind turbines can cause harm to humans. The evidence...demonstrates that they can, if...placed too close to residents."

Faced with massive community protest and the optics of illegality, Ken wrote to the local paper announcing that CAW had "decided to reduce the power output of the turbine to 500kw, a significant drop from its 800kw...(to) help ensure any noise emitted from the turbine stays at a reasonable level." (Ken didn't count on a CAW executive letting it slip soon after that "de-rating our turbine to 500kw enabled us to move our project to completion...and allowed us to expedite our connection to the provincial power grid.")

The community soon learned that the noise emission reduction meant CAW now escaped the 550m provincial setback legislation altogether. It didn't seem to matter that CAW's Noise Study for MOE showed that "in order to meet the 'worse case' limit, the turbine will need to be operated at below 400kw." CAW's 800kw turbine, masquerading as 500kw--a wolf in sheep's clothing--now officially 'met' all current provincial regulations. CAW was in the driver's seat--and would self-monitor noise levels--like a motorist responsible for his own breathalyzer. Voila, again.

In short order, CAW had dealt with pesky legislation but it still had an annoying problem: community outrage. What about our health and safety? Some 100 families were in the 550m risk zone, not to mention all the CAW employees, and kids in its on-site daycare. "We will do everything in our power to eliminate all negative health impacts," Ken assured. What about infrasound, audible noise, and shadow flicker? What about ice-throw, fires, and blade disengagement? We're too close! "If we are wrong," Ken replied, "and our windmill causes serious problems...then we will work diligently to make the necessary adjustment." No need for CAW to be proactive, when it could be reactive.

Then a radio interview gave the community some hope. On GoldHawk, CAW confirmed its commitment to Town Council--if the turbine causes public harm, CAW would shut down its revenue-generating machine. Skeptical, the community posed the question: Will CAW agree to such a 'contract' that puts our health and safety first? Ken's response was immediate. CAW "would not sign a contract other than committing to environmental obligations legislated by law."

"CAW have met all of the provincial requirements," Ken stated. End of story.

 
 
 
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10:17 AM on 02/16/2012
FINDING OUT THE REAL STORY CONCERNING WIND TURBINES WAS AN EYE-OPENER. WHEN YOU LISTEN TO A LADY SPEAK, WHOSE HEALTH WAS SO BAD THAT SHE AND HER FAMILY HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO LEAVE THEIR CHOSEN HOMES,YOU REALIZE THAT PLACEMENT OF WIND TURBINES TOO CLOSE TO PEOPLE IS A MAJOR MISTAKE. THE GOVERNMENT STATES
THAT 550 M IS A PROPER SETBACK DISTANCE DESPITE EUROPEAN LONG TIME SETBACKS OF 1,000 M OR MORE. IN PORT ELGIN AT THE CAW, HOMES ARE LESS THAN 175 M FROM THIS TURBINE.
09:00 AM on 02/16/2012
The reality is wind turbines are massive industrial machines, that have large noise emissions. The wind industry knew this would be a problem and came up with a masterful campaign of spin to downplay the noise issues to the general public . Unfortunately spin campaigns don't help the people who actually have to live next to the wind turbines . The galling thing is rural residents have no recourse from excessive noise because the MOE has no approved methodology for field measurments of wind turbine noise emissions. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/09/21/wind-turbines.html
08:58 AM on 02/16/2012
A 1.8 MW wind turbine at the source puts out a sound pressure of approximately 105 decibals on the dba scale. This is the same noise output of a chainsaw or a car alarm. Now imagine living in a quiet country setting surrounded by up to 100 chainsaws running all night on top of 300 foot towers and than just maybe you can begin to understand why people are upset. 550m is way too close a setback, to human habitation.Here is a link that shows on page 14 the sound power curve for a 1.8MW Vesta . At 8m/s the sound power is 104dba. Since the cutout speed is 25m/s one can assume that the sound output at full power would be much higher.http://www.vestas.com/Files/Billeder/countrysites/Germany/English_V90-1.8_2.0MW.pdf Here is a link to a decibal comparison charthttp://extension.psu.edu/4-h/internal/literacy-curriculum-enhancement-activities/pattern-pages-for-activities/SoundDecibelChart.pdf
10:52 AM on 02/16/2012
Dan, can I use your sound comparison chart on our Anti - CAW turbine site -- www.quixoteslaststand.com ?
04:42 PM on 02/16/2012
It's not mine it's off of Penn State's website, just post the link.
01:29 PM on 02/15/2012
The CAW Wind Turbine project which is located in Port Elgin, Ontario is making what was a beautifully Architecturally designed teaching centre into something which I find difficult to understand , as it is visually out of context and out of balance with the surrounding buildings and the wonderful homes which are very close to the structure. As I drove past this wind tower yesterday, it makes me sad to see this is happening to what was a well thought out peice of property. It is a huge tower, and it looms tall above the land, projecting a somewhat foreboding presence. Aesthetics are important to people and to the land, and it would seem that this has not been well considered in this particular wind turbine location. In addition to this, my feeling is that this installation has been a very selfish demonstration in the wielding of power . It seems that everybody just wants to be right, and that nothing should be questioned. Unfortunately, true democracy does not work this way.
12:06 PM on 02/15/2012
HEY John Frodo What has your reply have to do with the CAW thing in Port Elgin.

Do you have one of these things on your street? How about somebody getting you one so you can pay the high electric bill to the CAW as everyone now does.

John. get a copy of the Quebec Hydro plans and financial report from from the search engine Its Northern Rivers create electricity at 3 cents per Kwh output. Its income from sales to New England at 12 cents per Kwh gives them 2billion dollars to reduce Quebec Hudro bills to the lowest in North America. They are buying up the New England systems.. We have 2000 sites in Norther Ontsrioto create cheap clean energy to also sell,

John. Please explain how CO2 from humans causes Global Warming
CO2 in the atmosphere is but a fraction of one per cent and that from people at less than a thousand of one percent .

It is the sun, one million times bigger than earth that heats the earth and it flares up over days and even the millennial to cause global warming
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Check your grade 10 science book John
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Jay from Ottawa
sovereignty sale, 1.3T OBO
10:22 AM on 02/15/2012
I'm all for advancing wind power, but this is Canada, we have so much free, unsused space, that we can build massive wind farms and never be within a few kilometers of a residence.
10:41 AM on 02/15/2012
Jay,

You would be against it (likely) when you found out how economically devastating wind energy is. Ontario will spend about $100 billion on the green energy act - with no benefits - no carbon reduction, very few jobs (about a $million per year per job) and landscape blight.

Please investigate.
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Jay from Ottawa
sovereignty sale, 1.3T OBO
11:02 AM on 02/15/2012
I have researched it. It takes a turbine about a year to produce the same amount of energy that was used to create it. Same applies to other power generators.

The only pollution caused by wind turbines are noise pollution, which is why we're starting to notice they need to be placed far from homes. They don't produce nuclear waste (like nuclear reactors) and don't require the burning of coal or other fossil fuels, which is a serious hazard on air quality and causes acid rain.

Hydro power is great, but like wind turbines, kill animals (fish for hydro, birds and bats for wind turbines).

They don't create jobs ? I'm fine with that ! I envision a future society where everything that can be autonomous is made autonomous. Less jobs + more people will eventually = shorter work weeks for citizens.

When Norway built their oil pumps and refinery, it took 20 years for it to pay for itself, but now they have one of the, if not THE largest cash reserve on the planet.

So those wind turbines will take some 5 years to pay for themselves, a tough sell when we're running a deficit, but when they have paid for themselves, Ontario will be winning, albeit only in the future. Yes, sometimes you have to pay now and only reap the benefits later, life isn't all now now now me me me.
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Jay from Ottawa
sovereignty sale, 1.3T OBO
11:02 AM on 02/15/2012
I've done my research, and I'm pro wind power. I do have my reservations, and those are;
- Not be placed close to residents, we have oodles of unused land we can use.
- Stay clear of bird migration patterns, we know what routes they travel, so avoid them.

That's about that, other than maybe replace older wind turbines with newer ones since they create less noise, have fire suppression systems, have vibration monitoring systems so they automatically stop when they start to vibrate and are easier and safe to maintain.

Invest now, benefit later. I don't mind making a sacrifice for future generations.
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wetheenemy
You want to do what with what?
02:10 AM on 02/15/2012
Green energy is not an easy transformation but we, so comfortable with the status quo, are not willing to budge from our thrones.
03:09 AM on 02/15/2012
Just because something is called "green" does not necessarily make it so. Google this "wind turbines cause pollution on a disastrous scale". People hear "green" and lose their minds. If the problems with wind turbines pertained to anything else in the world, it would be deemed a monumental failure. But because turbines are erroneously dubbed green, you give them a pass. The Auditor General has given them a thumbs down. Patrick Moore, the founder of Greenpeace has spoken out against them. James Lovelock, the guru of the Gaia theory, calls turbines a blight on the landscape that do nothing to combat global warming. Dr. Ross McKittrick says the GEA is a colossal failure. This has nothing to do with NIMBYism. It has to do with common sense.
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wetheenemy
You want to do what with what?
09:02 AM on 02/15/2012
The first automobiles were terrible polluting machines but we persevered and have incredibly more efficient models today. The first lightbulb was inefficient and in fact only recently have we mandatorily made the move to fluorescent. I am fully aware of the drawbacks of windpower as we know it but we can't improve on nothing, we have to start somewhere. What about the first of anything; solar power, desalination, flying machines etc. Shut it down just because somebody says they are a blight, I think not. What about wall to wall carpeting? What do you have in your home?
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wetheenemy
You want to do what with what?
09:04 AM on 02/15/2012
I was so high on my soapbox I forgot to mention one thing you may not know; there is nothing less common than 'common sense". A true oxymoron.
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wetheenemy
You want to do what with what?
02:07 AM on 02/15/2012
Karen Hunter obviously is a member of the NIMBY mind set club. She negates the beauty and effectiveness of a truly amazing endeavour. There will always be somebody to find fault with even the finest projects. Negative rationalization is really quite awesome in its ferocity. Shame on you Karen.
10:51 PM on 02/14/2012
ATTACKERS OF KAREN HUNTER FIGHTING FOR YOU AND ALL OF ONTARIO.

YOU'VE BEEN HAD BY THE WIND TURBINE INDUSTRY WHO HAVE A GOOD GRASP ON YOUR PURSES

ELECTRICITY BILLS WILL DOUBLE TO PAY FOR WIND TURBINES AT 20 CENTS A KWH.

ELECTRICITY WAS 7 CENTS A KWH. WATER POWER IS 3 CENTS..

HYDRO QUEBEC USES THE NORTHERN RIVERS AND SELLS IT TO NEW ENGLAND AT A PROFIT OF 2 BILLION DOLLARS. IT HAS THE LOWEST ELECTRIC PRICE IN NORTH AMERICA

ONTARIO HAS 2000 SIMILAR SITES TO REDUCE ONTARIO BILLS. .

CHEAP ENERGY GIVES US OUR GREAT LIFE STYLE, COMPANIES NEED CHEAP ELECTRICITY TO SURVIVE.. PEOPLE NEED CHEAP ENERGY TO AFFORD THINGS ESPECIALLY CARS. WIND TURBINES WIND TURBINES KILL CAW JOBS. AND GOOD WAGES.

WHY ARE WINDTURBINES NOT ALL OVER CITIES ON HIGH RISES? THEY ARE DANGEROUS AND NOISY.

YET THE CAW WIND TURBINE IS THE ONLY ONE IN ANY TOWN ...

THE CAW PROTECT ITS MEMBERS FROM ILLNESSES CAUSED BY DANGEROUS INFRA SOUND IN FACTORIES , THESE WINDTURBINES EMIT LARGE AMOUNTS OF INFRASOUND

WE HAVE A LIST OF HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHOSE HEALTH HAS BEEN HARMED BY LIVING OR WORKING NEAR THESE THINGS

DO YOU ATTACKERS HAVE A WIND TURBINE OR ARE PETITIONING TO HAVE ONE?
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IF NOT APOLOGIZE TO KAREN HUNTER

EVERYONE COME. YOU "CAWERS ' BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. BE SAFE FROM THREAT TO HEALTH. WE WANT ALL TO ,ENJOY OUR QUIET BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC SEA SIDE TOWN.WITH NO DAMN WINDTURBINESS.
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john frodo
armchair expert
09:09 AM on 02/15/2012
another Harper paid commenter, but missed the PPT on caps.
08:04 PM on 02/14/2012
Ontario has a deficit of over $20 billion and a debt of over $200 billion. On a per capita basis, these are both worse than California's.

Nevertheless, Ontario has decided to junk their cost-effective power plants in order to chase green tech. The government's own auditor said no cost-benefit analysis was done on alternative energy and the expected cost to consumers on their power bills will be over $220 million.

Yet, despite all this, commentators like Kevinexcess call opposition to green energy 'uninformed and misguided.'

The (rational) mind boggles.
07:26 PM on 02/14/2012
Karen is far from anti green. The CAW turbine is way closer than the provincial marginal set back of 550 meters to residents homes. The turbine is believed to be closer than any other in the world.
In 2009 the set back was determined to be 550m and this one is just now being installed with 100 homes located less than that distance.
Karen is very well educated on the topic, i suggest some of you educate as well before voiceing un educated opinions
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rickthaluddite
What noisy cats are we
06:22 PM on 02/14/2012
Has this writer not seen the miles and miles of power lines running across this farmland? How are wind turbines more unsightly than massive towers connecting power lines running from the Bruce Nuclear Plant? Aesthetics are not an argument that works against wing power.
10:19 PM on 02/14/2012
I think we all understand and accept the Bruce -Milton line that supplys reliable, stable, power to so much of the GTA. There is just so much more wrong with subsidized wind power. Quite frankly, aethetics are way down the list.
08:14 AM on 02/15/2012
Fact of the matter is that 'Green' wind energy needs about 2 TIMES the wires strung everywhere, as the power comes and goes all the time. So we have wasteful, useless power at 5 times the value of it, pouring into a very clean electric system (3 TIMES cleaner than Denmark - the wind leader) and then we get to pay Ontario Hydro 40% more on our bills to transport it around. The whole thing is a giant waste of money. By giant I mean threaten schools, healthcare and other programs, and also in the end causing Ontario to go bankrupt.

Each turbine needs $600,000 per year to run it, (ROI, maintenance, etc). But they make less than $100,000 worth of power, so taxpayers get the other half million PER TURBINE. McGuinty wants 6000 or more of them, so thats 3 billion per year, down the drain. Add in Solar, ethanol, etc etc and you have to shut down healthcare in order to proceed.

Its your choice Ontario: Healthcare or paying BP, Suncor and Nextera billions every year for nothing of value except for urban votes for the Liberals.
02:46 PM on 02/14/2012
Can you people read? Where dose it say Karen wants coal, oil or nuclear energy? All I read was Karen tell you how the CAW put up a wind turbine. They put it up 210 metres from peoples homes how they bent the rules to do it. These people are not against clean energy they just want it to be done safely, with respect for there neighbors. Have any of you people ever stood 200 metres from a wind turbine?
09:27 PM on 02/14/2012
Yes, actually...and they are quiet.

This hysteria is really catching, isn't it?
05:07 AM on 02/15/2012
Saying that you stood next to a turbine once and therefore there is no such thing as ill health effects from these things, is like saying that you drank a glass of water once and therefore it's impossible for people to drown. Same sort of argument. Unless you live next to one of these monstrosities 24/7, you have absolutely no concept of the sound they can create, or the impact of the shadow flicker and how this can affect your overall health and well-being. People are not abandoning their homes and properties in this province for no reason.
04:39 PM on 02/15/2012
Protect is right. Unless you live next to one of these 24/7 you really have no concept of what you are talking about. I am a pro-alternative energy advocate who has recently been educated regarding these industrial turbines and what they do to individuals and communities. Calling this technology green in its current implementation does a huge disservice to those who wish to make this a better world. It is now acknowledged that they do in fact cause health problems and 210 meters is absolutely too close. According to one reputable source I've read 50% of people suffer some ill effect living within 400 meters, the percentage rises the closer you live and I mean LIVE near them. These structures are much more problematic as you try to sleep with them operating at night. There are a lot of very excellent reasons/theories why this is so and it would be great to see some independent research and engineering to address this problem. Short answer... this is a big country... keep them away from human residences until they are safe.
02:32 PM on 02/14/2012
Poor Karen. She can't stand the thought of a windmill in her backyard but its fine to destroy boreal forest the size of Great Britain and destroy one of the greatest rivers in Canada and have the people using that water die because of the toxins in it. And never mind the deaths from air pollution or the children who have asthma because of air pollution. Karen is annoyed with annoying windmills. Poor Karen. She'll have to put up with it or move.
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Karen Hunter
12:07 PM on 02/16/2012
You clearly miss the point. Annoying? Hardly. CAW's turbine is risking people's health and safety. Wind turbine companies warn people to stay a min 305m from turbines in winter due to ice throw. This one is 50m from the parking lot & 170m from the busy county road.
01:19 PM on 02/14/2012
I wonder if Karen loads up the kids into her gas guzzling SUV, along with their made in China, plastic toys, and heads there for a few hours out of the year. Please get a life, we can't keep blowing the tops off mountains to get coal for hydro, or hey lets bury the nuclear waste in her back yard.
02:48 PM on 02/14/2012
Check a map and you'll see that Port Elgin is a stones throw from the largest nuclear facility in the world , that being the Bruce plant and yes there is a proposal for the area to receive nuclear waste for re-cycling. Our contention here is that this turbine is not in our back-yard, it's practically in our kitchen.
So... what's in your back-yard?
03:44 PM on 02/14/2012
Paul I have serious air pollution in my back yard and an overpass. Want to trade?
08:06 AM on 02/15/2012
I wonder if they have kids - then they can worry that Ontario will go bankrupt, like Spain, California, Portugal and others. This is not $200 million per year, its at least $5 billion per year wasted for 20 years - $100 billion gone into 'Big Oil' - yes the companies that install wind are Nextera, Suncor, BP, etc etc. This is a scam. Spain just shut it all down, and we need to as well, or else our children will be paying for the rest of their lives for McGuinty's friends to get rich. Ontario has some of the cleanest power in the world, and we are also in a surplus for at least 7 years, so we absolutely need to shut this down NOW.