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Why Aren't Celebrities Protesting Electricity?

Posted: 12/08/11 12:15 PM ET

The anti-oil sands lobby wants you to think that there's no greater carbon emissions problem than the oil sands. They march in the streets, break into buildings, get themselves arrested, and then compare themselves to the heroes of civil rights movement -- all the while protecting market share for the world's conflict oil producers -- because they claim to be fighting some historic battle in the name of climate change. Their earnestness has persuaded eco-chic, but ignorant celebrities like Robert Redford, Julia Louis-Dreyfus and Daryl Hannah to take up their cause.

Except there is a bigger emitter of carbon dioxide right in our own backyards. Much bigger. It's called electricity, and a new report from the Commission for Environmental Cooperation shows just how minor the oil sands' emissions footprint is relative to other energy sources.

Postmedia reports:

A report from an organization tasked with overseeing environmental practices in Canada, the United States and Mexico says electricity-generating plants that run on fossil fuels in North America account for 33 per cent of greenhouse-gas emissions originating on this continent, and six per cent globally.

By comparison, the Canadian government estimates the country's oil sands-mining operations account for just 0.1 per cent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions, or 6.5 per cent of Canada's.

Six percent of global emissions for electricity versus 0.1% for the oil sands. That means that North American electricity generation emits 60 times more CO2 than the oil sands. And where are the celebrities and the eco-martyrs standing up against coal-fired power plants? You won't find them. It's not hard to figure out why. For one, as the Commission's Executive Director Evan Lloyd points out, the oil sands are an easier target because they're located in a concentrated area and involve a smaller number of players (no doubt it also has something to do with the fact that the oil sands are being developed by corporations, and not the kind of public utilities that frequently run power plants).

But it surely has something to do with the fact that protesting against oil is a more palatable and fashionable cause: People have been conditioned to feel guilty about driving their cars, and most people don't get to see the critical role that oil plays in their lives every day -- such as growing their food, delivering their food to market, facilitating medicine and health care and powering the economy. Telling people they can live without oil -- even if the fact is that our society can't -- is an easier sell than trying to convince them they can live without affordable electricity.

And yet, surviving without fossil fuel-powered electricity is just as unrealistic right now as living without oil. It's even more unrealistic, actually; while we have established alternatives to coal power in the form of hydro, nuclear, lower emission gas power, and even some marginally economical geothermal and wind power, there are still no practical alternatives to oil when it comes to powering trucks, airplanes and ocean liners.

The anti-oil sands agitators know that electricity is a much bigger emitter than the oil sands, but they also know that they won't get much sympathy -- or money -- from the public by going after state utility companies while warning families that it's time to start living without their washing machines, televisions and lights. That's why you won't see Robert Redford or Daryl Hannah protesting against electric plants, even if those happen to be a much bigger part of the issue they claim to care about than the oil sands are. They'll stick with the charade of protesting ethical, Canadian oil as if it were somehow a critical cause for concern. And the conflict oil producers of the world will thank them for it.

 

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The anti-oil sands lobby wants you to think that there's no greater carbon emissions problem than the oil sands. They march in the streets, break into buildings, get themselves arrested, and then comp...
The anti-oil sands lobby wants you to think that there's no greater carbon emissions problem than the oil sands. They march in the streets, break into buildings, get themselves arrested, and then comp...
 
 
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Robert Lee Harrington
I'd Love To Change The World..
11:39 AM on 12/23/2011
"Photovoltaics"

a method of generating electrical power by converting solar radiation into direct current electricity...

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There are no fuel costs or emissions during operation of the power stations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photovoltaics
12:21 AM on 12/10/2011
Wow, pretty strong stuff, calling the celebrities ignorant. Actually, I thought Darryl Hannah ripped Alykhan Velshi to shreds with her arguements against the oil sands when they debated the other day. To suggest they criticise because they need money is silly. They criticise to save our children. It seems like the person making money from this is Kathryn Marshall.
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10:51 PM on 12/09/2011
Statoil of Norway is also a major tar sands player and Statoil says they're being very environmental: http://www.statoil.com/en/EnvironmentSociety/RelevantTopics/OilSandInCanada/Pages/default.aspx
04:47 PM on 12/09/2011
Kathryn Marshall?

I heard you on CBC Radio the other day. Anna-Marie Tremonti ripped your position to shreds and left you at a loss for words.

http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/2011/12/06/ethical-oil/
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10:53 PM on 12/09/2011
Yes, Marshall appeared to be rathr weak in responding to Tremonti's question about ethics, but it was not about the electricity-as-polluter issue.
03:02 PM on 12/09/2011
Actually, the biggest emitter of greenhouse gasses is meat production. Recent reports from the Worldwatch Institute show that up to 51% of global emissions is produced in meat production.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/study-claims-meat-creates-half-of-all-greenhouse-gases-1812909.html
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JeanFrancois Lord
02:38 PM on 12/09/2011
ethical vomit is still vomit. where is the investment from those businesses into future energy need? new technologies? new sciences? nope , just pocket lining. no future. thiefs.
04:00 PM on 12/09/2011
Actually there are hundreds of research scientists working, right now, on improving technology, studying new techniques , and reducing the environmental impact of the oilsands . That's a huge investment in our energy future.
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JeanFrancois Lord
12:11 AM on 12/10/2011
a future of a hundred or less years is not a future.
I am thinking 10 - 50 -100 - 500+ years. that is a future, not this short term business.
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Creox
Life is too important to take seriously.
02:37 PM on 12/09/2011
boo hoo....they keep picking on the tar sands.

Here is some simple logic. Just because one protests the tar sands does not immediately mean they condone some other co2 belching technology.

The argument always surrounds the "fact" that the tar sands will be excavated, we need oil etc. The question of not using the tar sands is never seriously confronted.

I wonder how any of you who defend this knowing that continuing to use fossil fuels means the end of our way of life? You obviously must not believe it or to promote the burning would be proof of your insanity. Is the environment less important then the economy or more important? How much proof do you need?

The tar sands is just one out of many issues that fossil fuel use encompasses. It is highlighted because it is so destructive to water use, land and air. If Alberta was its own country it would have the highest co2 per capita in the world.
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JBSCanada
They paved Paradise and put up a parking lot!
03:25 PM on 12/09/2011
You bring up some good points, but please read my blog on this very topic - it's too long to post here, but will only take 5 minutes of your time to read. johnbrianshannon.com

Best Regards, JBS
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Creox
Life is too important to take seriously.
05:46 PM on 12/09/2011
nice blog
;)

Unfortunately you make the mistake of thinking a petroleum based economy is going to work hand in hand with a sustainable environment.

You can have one or the other and I'll tell you why. As long as we cling to this mindset we don't think outside the bigger box. The box of a complete detachement from oil. The one in which we live in a truly sustainable world. That by definition means less people, replacing what we use, as we use it.

Personally, I don't think we can get off the oil teat. The inertia of our addiction is too strong. I think (and see) the planet succumbing to our addiction. Our civilization is going to collapse before it gets better.
04:04 PM on 12/09/2011
I don't see any massive protests outside large coal fired electricity plants, in the US , or anywhere else. If that's not condoning them , I don't know what is. !
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sgillhoolley
Occupy the discussion.
12:40 PM on 12/09/2011
Well, here in Quebec we have Hydro Quebec for our electrical needs. It harnesses the power of rivers to provide sustainable energy at affordable prices to all Quebecers. It is Socialism, however, and I know how many people out there think that is a total nightmare. I think the system that is poisoning us all is the nightmare, but I am one of those weird Socialists.
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JBSCanada
They paved Paradise and put up a parking lot!
03:22 PM on 12/09/2011
I'm not a socialist by any stretch. But look at the examples of socialism we see in Sweden, for example. See also, Norway, Finland and others.

By every measurable UN standard, Sweden wins. 1st in quality of life, 1st in health care, 1st in life expectancy, 1st in infant survival rates and so much more. I spent almost one year there - and it is an extremely well organized society.

They don't even complain about the weather! Every Swede says; "There is no bad weather, only bad clothing." Which speaks volumes about the outlook of the Swedish people.

You can't argue with success!
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sgillhoolley
Occupy the discussion.
05:05 PM on 12/09/2011
I guess my obvious question after reading you extolling the virtues of socialism is...why aren't you a Socialist?
10:32 AM on 12/09/2011
Comparing a finite form of energy - electricity from coal with mining the oil sands is actually showing how bad the problem with the oil sands is. 6.5% of Canadian emissions? Just for mining the stuff? That is a huge proportion.
Electricity is a form of energy that is ready to use.
Emitting 6.5% of Canada's CO2 for mining? What about the energy it takes afterwards to:
- Pre-process it
- Transport it to a refinery
- Refine it
- Transport it to a gas station and pumping it
Then - we can talk about comparing it with electricity.
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sgillhoolley
Occupy the discussion.
12:41 PM on 12/09/2011
The plan is to send it to Texas for refinement, so you don't have to include those emissions in Canada's allotment. Don't worry, I bet the USA will find a way to not take responsibility for it either. I agree that we need to get off of oil and gasoline. It is the albatross that strangles us.
01:59 PM on 12/10/2011
Energy from fossil fuels are going to be with us for the forseeable future, I take it that you don't eat food, that has been transported by truck, cycle or walk everywhere, don't use public transportation, never use air transportation, don't buy tv's, or buy goods that have packaging, insist that your electricity provider never uses sources of supply from other than Hydro(even here there is a fossil fuel component) Wind or solar, etc. etc. The list goes on !!!
07:24 AM on 12/09/2011
That's the 2nd article in a row where the base argument is that we're not as bad as others. What this lobby fails to state in its propaganda, is that we are facing immense environmental challenges, and adding another (which we can assume will no longer be 0.1% of all emissions in 10 years ) is not the solution.

The funny thing is, I agree with part of her argument - we will have to continue to use oil for years to come. If not in cars, than as lubricant, plastics, etc. What I don't get, is why we can't develop one project at a time, exhaust it, revitalize the area and move to the next. This is the Norwegian model (also nationalized with profits saved for future generations) and it would also allow us to learn from mistakes, choose better technologies, and have a more sustained use of the product.

Instead we seem committed to getting this stuff out of the ground as quickly as possible and burning it. All the while destroying the ecosystem, tarnishing our international reputation, and likely contaminating our politics.

It was also interesting how she didn't mention solar which is very close to price parity with coal for electric generation, and is one of the few viable alternatives.
02:09 PM on 12/10/2011
Quote " It was also interestin­g how she didn't mention solar which is very close to price parity with coal for electric generation­."

I believe your statement is wrong. The figures for solar , in terms of barrels of oil equivalent boe, compared to coal fired electricity are , as follows

Coal : Capital costs plus net operating costs , plus Co2 costs - $180.00 boe equivalent

Solar : Capital costs plus net operating costs plus Co2 costs - $420.00 boe equiv.

That makes solar two and a half times as expensive..!!!
09:48 AM on 12/12/2011
I agree. It is 2 and half times more expensive now.

However, what I should have said is that solar is approaching price parity. Compared to only a few years ago, and the two prices are significantly closer. Most solar industry professionals I've spoken with (mainly in Europe) are very confident that due to scales of production in China, and the rising price of coal power generation, that they will see price parity within the next five years.

I think it is interesting how this alternative wasn't mentioned given that is one of the most viable alternatives to fossil fuel energy generation.
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JBSCanada
They paved Paradise and put up a parking lot!
07:24 AM on 12/09/2011
The U.S. Dept of Energy conducted a study which authoritatively concluded that covering a 384 square mile area, in the Sahara Desert, Nevada, or Arizona (with even the lowest-performing solar cells) that would produce enough electricity to cover all the electricity requirements on Earth!

At that point, petroleum and coal need only be refined for motive use, not electrical power-generation.

Well, don't just stand there, get on it! ;)
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sgillhoolley
Occupy the discussion.
12:45 PM on 12/09/2011
Deserts around the world are begging to be turned into solar collectors...and there seem to be precious few reasons to be in a desert otherwise. The false dichotemy that the Drill Baby Drill crowd likes to use is to demand that a switch to solar or wind or hydro power must solve the solution completely...and until then we will keep pouring toxins into the air. Solar, wind, hydro...these are all pieces of a complex puzzle of relying as much as possible on renewable resources. We've seen oil go from $25 a barrel to over $100 a barrel in less than a decade. Those prices are going to continue to climb higher and higher as the supply dwindles. Alternative energy is smart enegy.
01:23 PM on 12/09/2011
I don't suppose you can actually produce this study instead of just saying "The study exists... trust me". Beyond pointing out an obvious problem (what happens at night?) - or that based upon my knowledge of the power and energy density of solar (which is relatively pitiful) you also have a problem with transmission from those locations to... the rest of the world.

Solar and wind are completely non-viable. The only viable solution is N2N.
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02:22 PM on 12/09/2011
. Beyond pointing out an obvious problem (what happens at night?) ... umm... batteries?
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JBSCanada
They paved Paradise and put up a parking lot!
03:58 PM on 12/09/2011
I was unable to find the study on the DoE website 404 Page not found.

I will see if I have it saved on my computer - and post it.

In the meantime, just for fun, drop by this site (MUCH easier to understand than the DoE study I mentioned)

Keep in mind, the author is talking about replacing ALL ENERGY needs with solar. To power all homes, skyscrapers, factories, etc, with solar electricity, and to use solar to produce hydrogen for fuel for all cars, trucks, ships, planes, etc.

http://www.landartgenerator.org/blagi/archives/127
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JBSCanada
They paved Paradise and put up a parking lot!
07:10 AM on 12/09/2011
Kathryn, what kind of ego do you possess to call Robert Redford, Daryl Hannah and Julia Louis-Dreyfus, ignorant? Do you believe that you have accomplished more than these individuals over the course of their lifetimes? Time for an ego-check!

Secondly, you are comparing NORTH AMERICAN total electricity-generation emission levels - to Canada-only total electricity-generation emission levels.That's apples vs oranges thinking by any standard.

The U.S.A. uses coal to produce half of it's electricity needs. That's a lot of smoke! They are a nation of 335 million people.

Canada is a nation of 33.4 million people and we barely use coal. Most of our electricity is generated by clean hydro-power, nuclear and only some fossil-fuel.

In totality, Canadians pollute about the same as Americans per capita, so stop projecting American totals onto Canada to get to the .1% number you cited.

Third, for each barrel of oil extracted from Saudi Arabia, that's one barrel of oil available for us, in the West, to burn in OUR cars.

(a ratio of one barrel available - for one extracted)

For each barrel of oil extracted from the tar-sands, it takes a whole other barrel of oil just to process the sand out, to burn in OUR cars.

(a ratio of one barrel available - for two extracted)

Now, how is that more ethical? It isn't and you know it - and so does everybody else.

Read my tar-sands blog - available at; johnbrianshannon.com
02:27 PM on 12/10/2011
The technology used in the oilsands is improving rapidly. Your Saudi oil supply has to be transporte­d thousands of miles,is not much different on the Co2 emissions scale and, given the current political situation in the middle east can hardly be considered a secure supply, not to mention it's non - ethical nature.
We have an abundance of natural gas, that is increasing­ly being used to extract oilsands oil
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Whistlejackett
Hey stop doing that
03:57 AM on 12/09/2011
Why can't or won't you simply say that Canada screwed up, and get on with stopping it? You don't because you can't stop it so you struggle to appease your guilt like other Canadians.
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sgillhoolley
Occupy the discussion.
12:55 PM on 12/09/2011
Canada has been screwing up huge for years now. I guess that is what happens when conservatives are put in charge.
01:31 AM on 12/09/2011
I'm sure your friends working down the hall lobbying for "Clean Coal" must be plotting amongst themselves thinking up ways to declare that they cause less pollution than oil rigs.
12:23 AM on 12/09/2011
Why are celebrities going after the tar sands and not electricity? Perhaps because we have alternatives to produce electricity that are many times less environmentally destructive than "ethical oil"(tar sands). By voicing opposition to and increasing awareness of the issue, those alternatives have a greater chance of being used.

"They'll stick with the charade of protesting ethical, Canadian oil as if it were somehow a critical cause for concern."

What exactly is ethical about destroying vast amounts of land, air, and water for a few quick bucks?
It's actually a critical cause of concern for many people who are interested in the vast amount of water wasted in industrial processes, the polluted water that flows downstream, the dirty air created by excavating and refining, the countless toxic tailing ponds, and the wildlife and ecosystem taking a severe beating.
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Nick Hatch
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
03:35 AM on 12/09/2011
btw the water flowing downstream is actually cleaner than the water upstream of the oil sands operations. It's because Canada has strict policies and well monitored enforcement of industrial development. Check it:
http://www.ethicaloil.org/fact/mythbusting-are-the-oilsands-harming-our-water/
We have alternatives to coal-fired electricity but it involves a base load of nuclear (hopefully LFTRs) and supplementation by wind and solar. We don't really have alternatives to oil for economic transportation except for ... da da DA! Electric vehicles. Of course if we all rush out and by electric cars today, they'll really be coal-powered cars which will be an even greater disaster in the long run.
This sentence - "What exactly is ethical about destroying vast amounts of land, air, and water for a few quick bucks?" - could not be a more appropriate criticism of the coal industry.
Compare:
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/coalvswind/c01.html
04:33 AM on 12/09/2011
Very reliable source Nick, the oil sands lobby. That article doesn't indicate what parameters are supposedly 'cleaner' downstream, by what amount or how this data was obtained. In fact all it says is "...but sometimes, the river water quality adjacent to an oilsands operation is cleaner than the water upstream.". Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

By the way, coal isn't the number one source of electricity in many parts of Canada. For example, in Ontario we use nuclear and hydro, with coal coming in a somewhat distant third.