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Elevator Etiquette: Is Chivalry Dead?

Posted: 07/18/11 08:00 AM ET

I work in a large office building equipped with 12 elevators. I make use of the elevators at least eight times a day. Working in the building for the past six years, I've had ample opportunity to observe an interesting phenomenon and that is elevator protocol.

There are standard rules when it comes to elevator etiquette; current riders should be allowed to exit before new riders enter, one should allow for personal space and so on. But when it comes to the proper elevator etiquette for men versus women there seems to be conflicting opinions.

Emily Post, a name that is synonymous with proper etiquette and manners, says that when exiting an elevator the person nearest the door should leave first, regardless of gender.

A diverging view on ElevatorRules.com says that men should allow women to exit the elevator first, unless the male is blocking the door.

So which is correct? It's difficult to be sure and perhaps there is no right answer; only a matter of personal opinion. But here is where I witness the phenomenon. It seems that men over the age of 30 (give or take) tend to allow women to enter and exit the elevator first. On the other hand, younger men tend to exit and enter based on order and personal desire to get on or off first.

Personally I don't mind either way. I don't find it necessary to be allowed off first; in fact it can sometimes get a little awkward. And I'm not particularly offended when the opposite occurs. I'm more concerned with the thought that chivalry is dead, or at least dying.

No matter how society changes, it's still nice to be treated with a little chivalry. It's a reminder that good, old-fashioned values are still regarded. Call me a traditionalist but I still appreciate the small, gentlemanly gestures men make towards women; a door held open or a seat pulled out at a restaurant.

Popular television shows like Mad Men come to mind when discussing the topic of antiquated values. Though men seemed more chivalrous in the '50s and '60s, woman also enjoyed fewer freedoms.

Men stood when a lady entered the room decades ago, but women weren't allowed to have an opinion on the state of their country. Women were expected to have dinner on the table at the end of the work day but men took their hats off before sitting down.

So the question emerges; have we traded chivalry for freedom? How are young boys being raised today? Are they being equipped with these retro ideals or is chivalry a fading behaviour?

 
 
 
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BigTexasButters
05:59 PM on 07/22/2011
"Men Don't Recognize 'Benevolent' Sexism: Study
Do most people recognize sexism in their daily lives? And what does it take to get them to shake their sexist beliefs? In a recent..."

on the same page as the article asking "Is Chivalry Dead?"

At any minute any chivalrous thing a man does can be called "benevolent sexism" and now he's a jerk.

Or he can decide to not be "benevolently sexist" and instead he's a jerk for not being "chivalrous."

Men are doomed.
02:43 AM on 07/21/2011
Etiquette, especially in the work place, takes up time and that effects productivity and the bottom line. In the business world the time, customers take in a store demonstrating etiquette to each other could easily take up enough time for that store to lose 2 or 3 sales a day. That's lost profit. There's an entire course taught to MBAs that goes through the algorithims that show what eqtiquette costs the US economy every year. This country needs to get its priorities straight. (all sarcasm)
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09:22 PM on 07/20/2011
How many times has a gentleman held a door open for a woman only to be berated for demeaning her, not treating her equal to a man, and threatened by a sexual harassment complaint to human resources?

Because of the demand for equality no man should even think of holding a door open for a woman if they wouldn't do the same for another guy under the same conditions.
12:01 PM on 07/20/2011
To all the young men out there, chivalry is a huge turn-on. I'm a 19yr old female working in an office in the South, but I'm originally from the NW. Let me tell you, the difference in manners is amazing. I love it. In Portland, chivalry is truly dead. Here in the South, I've gotten used to men opening doors for me, letting me walk first, getting in the elevator first, etc. Any man that doesn't do so comes off as a jerk.
DrSnuggles
You label me and I'll label you
11:45 AM on 07/20/2011
I've noticed that chivalry, for women, is a sword that cuts both ways. Not just in the socio-historical way that the author points out (more rights tends to lead to less establishment) but also regarding the way men continue to treat women (good and bad).

It's not uncommon for a man, and there are some bloggers on huffpo who do this religiously, to veil their sexism with chivalry. A mandate that men need to 'protect the weaker gender' has both the chivalrous protect AND the misogynist 'weaker.' To put a woman on a pedestal is to objectify her.

Aside; when I get in the elevator - I try to position myself so that I am furthest from the door, which solves the problem :)
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Mother77
11:10 AM on 07/20/2011
I prefer chivalry and etiquette because the opposite is a slippery slope into tee-shirt wardrobes slouching on couches and saying rude things for humor.
09:31 PM on 07/19/2011
A few observations. I'm surprised you said 30, because I would think the dividing line was closer to 40. Maybe it's all those 39 year old metrosexuals who look 29. I'm surprised that Emily Post now says its gender neutral. Pretty sure that source would have said ladies first 20 years ago, which is why more guys who are over 40 (or maybe 30) follow it.

I'm 55, and I always let ladies off first, and but I'm pretty sure not a lot of guys do, because I almost always get a nice smile and thank you. That's the one upside of chivalry dying... it means those of us who still practice it find that much more easy appreciation.

While I follow the ladies first rule on elevators, I don't usually rise when a woman leaves the table or returns. It just feels awkward, and I rarely see any man of any age do that.
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signgrrl
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09:39 AM on 07/20/2011
i'm a 55 yr old female, and i appreciate yr elevator etiquette. you will get a smile and a thank you from me. you are also right about that table thing. don't bother getting up. unless the chairs are really heavy and we need help . . . . . :-)
04:42 PM on 07/19/2011
No comment Can you post that or will you censore it.
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AKQueenie
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04:42 PM on 07/19/2011
Ahhh.... A women wrote this.....
04:15 PM on 07/19/2011
I am from the old school and if you were on the other end of that elevator chivalry a positive acknowledgement (Gesture) would be encouragement to keep doing this deed. Chivalry will die a fast death in this modern society if it is not encouraged by both genders.There is nothing more dissapointing than taking the time and respect to hold a door open for a female only to have it closed in your face by the reaction
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Joe Hennes
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12:58 PM on 07/19/2011
I hold the door for everyone: old, young, male, female, stranger, friend; it doesn't matter. If I am in company with someone I let them go first, once again, irrespective of age or gender or familiarity. (I used to get chairs for women but eventually had to admit no one wanted it, so I let it go.) That is who I am. What I cannot control is how people choose to react. Some folks will be offended, some appreciative, some will be indifferent. It doesn't matter that my intention is always courtesy. What I should not do is become less courteous because some choose to be angry/insulted/offended. A woman who gets annoyed with me for holding the door for her doesn't know that I would have done the same had she been a he, and to assume I am holding the door because I think you are too weak to do it yourself... If you are going to make an assumption, why not assume the postive and make your life more positive? Do you really want to choose negativity when someone gets the door for you? Why?
12:00 AM on 07/20/2011
I wanted to say awesome comment but I guess the more chivalrous thing would be to just quietly agree.

The building I work in has a sporadic and frankly crappy elevator service. I often find myself with a large group of people, some with cycles, waiting for the same car. Sometime I feel like a maitre'd trying to make everyone comfortable about their ride up. Sometimes it results in spontaneous conversation, more often it's kind of a "are you following me?" sort of look.

I can only speak for an urban setting since that's where I live but I find most women deeply suspicious about the chivalrous act. "Do you want to be second so you can follow me?" Sadly, this is not without some justification.

Ha, I also find myself saying "your welcome" when I get no response from a man or woman. I know they won't like me for the rest of the day but perhaps they will say thank you to someone else another day.
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Haley Heaps Stevenson
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12:53 PM on 07/19/2011
I am always embellishing my thank you to a gentleman for holding the door for me. Because, he simply doesn't HAVE to do it, he chooses to. I, being a woman, have held doors for other people, I don't see it as a chivalrous matter, rather one of manners. It is polite to help the next person, man or woman, with the door you just handled. Also... please people remember the thank you part of it. There is nothing more upsetting than going out of my way to hold a door for someone who doesn't offer a thank you, almost as if they are deserving of it. We women aren't entitled to Chivalry, so we should appreciate the times when we receive it.
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Frank Bourne
The truth hurts.
12:21 PM on 07/19/2011
Chivalry is dead. And woman killed it. -Dave Chappell

Watch this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymNdfdQvdVc
03:58 PM on 07/21/2011
Dave Chapelle for Ruler of North America!!

That guy has more insight, common sense and rationale than anyone in Washington or Ottawa.

Scathingly brilliant.
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manntxs
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12:05 PM on 07/19/2011
"So the question emerges; have we traded chivalry for freedom?"

Speaking for myself my answer is no. I still hold doors for women and defer to them in elevators etc. and they also can exercise the freedoms afforded to them in the modern age.

Oh, I also do so for the elderly and small children. Although at my age finding elderly people, defined as older than me, is getting more difficult. LOL Ok, not really but I am getting there quickly.
12:02 PM on 07/19/2011
My grandmother told me that men should remove their hats when a woman gets on an elevator. I tried doing that some years ago and noticed that even men much older than me didn't do it. That one must've gone into the etiquette dumpster two generations ago.
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jukesgrrl
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01:22 AM on 07/21/2011
It was PUT in the etiquette dumpster by people who wear baseball caps everywhere they go. Not attractive. Especially in restaurants.