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Why Would David Suzuki Wish for a Society Without Corporations?

Posted: 11/14/11 01:05 PM ET

Last week, in a Huffington Post blog environmentalist and long-time broadcaster David Suzuki recently aligned himself with the most extreme positions of the "Occupy" movement. He wants to do away with all private corporations. He acknowledges that "corporations may produce good things." But, "when profit is the primary goal, corporate leaders will fight to reduce their share of taxes, demand subsidies, oppose regulators, and fire employees for the sake of the bottom line."

"To me," Suzuki writes, "the Occupy movement is about putting decisions and democracy back into the hands of the people. We need democracy for people, not corporations, we need greater equity, we demand more social justice."

It is almost universally acknowledged that capitalism has excesses, which produces unhealthy social consequences. Often these consequences must be ameliorated through government regulation.

But it's one thing to control capitalism through regulation, and quite another to get rid of corporations and capitalism altogether. Reasonable people can disagree about what and when regulation is appropriate. But, although it may be news for David Suzuki, there have been enough disastrous attempts to create Communist societies without corporations to dismiss as foolish any suggestion that societies without private corporations are more humane than the ones that don't. Communist regimes have routinely murdered, imprisoned and deprived their citizens of all individual rights.

Suzuki says that our children and our grandchildren will suffer physically and economically if capitalism is not jettisoned. But that's just speculation. I say, millions have already be killed and imprisoned because governments tried to implement Suzuki's ideology.

For at least the last 40 years Canadians, particularly in the press, have had a blind spot for the horrors of societies "without corporations." For instance, it's now become fashionable to criticize our close economic relations with China. With good reason. China is a highly repressive state. But just a few decades ago Canada's leftist took pride that -- unlike the anti-Communist and capitalist United States -- their country maintained close relationships with China. Very little mention was made of the fact that the then-Chinese leader Mao Zedong had already killed millions in The Great Leap Forward, just as Canada was embracing China; that it was, as part of the Cultural Revolution, slaughtering millions of people. In the introduction to The Black Book of Communism, a French historian, Stephane Courtois estimates that 65 million people were killed by the Communist Chinese. As cruel as China is today, the government is not committing mass genocide; and those "evil" corporations have made it possible for millions of people in China to raise themselves out of poverty.

Mao's mass murder was no aberration for regimes that have done away with corporations. Communist regimes committed mass murder in places like Cambodia, North Korea and, of course, the Soviet Union. Courtois puts the total number of people slaughtered by Communist regimes at 94 million. That doesn't include the millions more who were injured, tortured, and imprisoned. But what's almost 100 million people, when there is, in Suzuki's terms, an ecosystem to be saved.

Has David Suzuki ever bothered to talk to anyone who lived in a country that abandoned capitalism? Has he ever heard the story of a refugee from the Soviet Union or any of the other gulags? There are plenty of them around in Canada. But Suzuki, like most Canadian writers and broadcasters, just aren't interested in their stories.

Of course, the "Occupy" protesters don't call themselves "communists." Indeed, they articulate no coherent ideology. But as the American writer Ronald Radosh has recently argued that if you take their muddled Robin Hood-like philosophy to its logical conclusion, you end up with "the call to go to the large homes of wealthy citizens, measure the living space of their domiciles, and by government action move poorer families into their residences to share their living space." Far-fetched? Radosh points that's just what happened during the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution in the Soviet Union. Would it be possible to implement this agenda now with less blood being shed than in 1917?

Most critics of the "Occupy" movement dismiss the protesters as social misfits. I take the movement somewhat more seriously. Unfortunately, there are many like Suzuki who have worked diligently and successfully to erase the horrors of "societies without corporations" from our collective memory. It is this loss of memory that fuels the "Occupy" movement. That is, if we still remembered how much human misery the extreme collectivist left has already wrought, nobody would take it seriously, and the "Occupy" movement would have quickly fizzled out. As things stand, however, the "Occupy" movement may retain a continuing influence over our politics.

Suzuki's failure to appreciate the consequences of doing away with capitalism should have undercut his journalistic credibility. Instead, largely through the publicly-funded CBC, he has spent decades as an iconic social commentator. Indeed, most of Canada's media elite share his anti-capitalist bias. Certainly, that shouldn't be a source of Canadian pride.

 
Last week, in a Huffington Post blog environmentalist and long-time broadcaster David Suzuki recently aligned himself with the most extreme positions of the "Occupy" movement. He wants to do away with...
Last week, in a Huffington Post blog environmentalist and long-time broadcaster David Suzuki recently aligned himself with the most extreme positions of the "Occupy" movement. He wants to do away with...
 
 
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09:04 AM on 11/15/2011
But it's one thing to control capitalism through regulation, and quite another to get rid of corporations and capitalism altogether. That's a red hearing. You can have capitalism without corporations. Corporations from there inception were designed to give the powerful an advantage (taxes, liability etc) over there poorer competition Small business is the driving force in any economy, they create the jobs LOCALLY. They in power the people locally to spend money locally.Corporations actually work to destroy FREE ENTERPRISE All through history corporations have tainted government, with the result of violence against the citizenship and wars.Capitalism with a conscience is only possible without corporations.
03:42 AM on 11/16/2011
Thank you for explaining this essential but often ignored or misunderstood point. It's corporations, which can only exist because they are backed by the laws and GUNS of the state, that are causing so much misery for this planet. In a truly free society people would be able to participate in real capitalism, and of course be held liable to their fellow living souls for any harm done. If others wanted to participate in communism, they would be free to do so as well so long as long as it was voluntary.
The only question is why do we give the state the moral and legal sanction to use force in the form of a bizarre mutant legal shield to enable and protect corporations with their inevitable greed, crime, and general disregard for the welfare of the rest of us "99%" and our future generations?
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02:56 AM on 11/15/2011
I'm all for getting rid of corporations. But you can't do that in an ism. All ism's have the same underlying problems, they have monetary systems, and social stratification. In order to regulate corporations to the dust bin of history, you have to solve the underlying problems. Solving those problems will take us to the next step in human social evolution, and possibly then, we can begin to call ourselves civilized. If you want to see how to solve those problems, check my micro-bio.
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10:02 PM on 11/14/2011
Nice attempt at a spin but Suzuki didn't say to get rid of businesses, just the loopholes corporations hold as an advantage, through taxes, over normal citizens.
09:07 PM on 11/14/2011
"capitalism has excesses, which produces unhealthy social consequences. Often these consequences must be ameliorated through government regulation." Sounds reasonable. I can't help but notice that much conflict on these issues revolves around the insistence on using the loaded word 'capitalism' to describe any and all forms of 'free enterprise', leading to the absurd conclusion that to oppose 'capitalism' can only logically mean supporting 'communism'. Thus we are often politically unable to distinguish between good and bad forms of 'free enterprise' -- and often get ideologically bulldozed by those who cynically wish to confuse the two, to the detriment of a 'healthy society'. We must find new terms that allow us to rationally and ethically distinguish good from bad when discussing so-called 'capitalism'
05:43 PM on 11/14/2011
Mr. Krossel is in desperate need of an editor, as well as an elementary course in the fundamentals of logic and reason.
04:01 PM on 11/14/2011
1) Your argument works off an assumption that David Suzuki said that we should abolish corporations and yet you have not provided the direct quote so we can't be sure if the starting point of this discussion has merit.
2) You have assumed that making a statement regarding the abolition of corporations is also inherently advocating an unnamed political movement of your choice; you have made the leap to communist support.
3) You have provided inductive reasoning to show that communism will not work as if to enlist anti-communists in a pro-corporate argument. However, this is a false dilemma.
4) You have failed to acknowledge the millions of tragedies, lives lost both physically and in spirit, at the hand of corporatism. It seems somehow okay for the corporate system to fail the American people as long as it is based on a net present value calculation rather than an individual's decision. Both are choices resulting in tragedy; one is direct and the other is indirect.
5) You have claimed that Canadians should not be proud of academics and those in the media who do not support capitalism. The reasoning that you have given to support this is in the likeness of a communism flavoured witch hunt.
6) In your comment you have also insulted our entire country which, yet again, begs into question your ability to reason.
7) Martin Krossel, please provide evidence of YOUR journalistic credibility.
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12:10 AM on 11/15/2011
Thank you for your encompassing comments. You have saved me a great deal of time. I would only add one more observation.
8. Was all this just to take a swipe at the CBC
03:49 PM on 11/14/2011
First, as Evil Twin Skippy pointed out, Suzuki said nothing about doing away with private corporations. Neither did he advocate communism. So Krossel's piece is basically an attack on the products of his own imagination.

"It is almost universally acknowledged that capitalism has excesses, which produces unhealthy social consequences. Often these consequences must be ameliorated through government regulation."

One wonders exactly what Krossel thinks capitalism is. Capitalism is simply an economic system in which the means of production are privately owned and used for profit. Much of that private ownership is in the hands of shareholders of corporations. In his book, Where Have All the Leaders Gone?, Lee Iacocca wrote, "It is not supposed to be so, but today corporations are run for the benefit of their CEOs, not their shareholders."

Today's problems stem not from capitalism but from the abuses of the power accruing to the executive class within corporations. These people, through whatever means, have an undue influence in government, and their objectives are often at odds with the general populace. The current global mess is but one consequence of this undue influence. This in essence is what the Occupy movement is all about. And this is what Suzuki was writing about, not communism.

Perhaps Mr. Krossel should learn to read with comprehension before expressing his opinion on what he thought he read.
03:33 PM on 11/14/2011
I am not a communist, but the article is very one sided. All of the "communist" countries it mentions are not really communist, we have never had a true communist state. All countries mentioned were fascist with a controlled economy. According to Marx, for a country to properly transition to a communist state, it must have spent time as capitalist, and must have a high level of economic and social development (especially education). All of the mentioned nations jumped from a feudal state with low economic and social development, and very little education, and implemented authoritarian social policy. I suspect communism may be feasible if attempted by a highly developed nation, and if the rest of the world did not automatically oppose them.
09:01 PM on 11/14/2011
There's a reason why there's no real communist countries, because it's a strategy for ruling a country that does not value freedom, liberty, and human rights and is thus bound to fail from the beginning. Democracy is the best rule of government this planet has ever achieved, and all those who trumpet communism as an alternative need only to check the history books as to why the rational and freedom loving peoples of the world left that concept in the dust where it belongs. The remnants of the communist outlook (i.e. China) are great examples of how human rights and freedoms can be trampled to death in a quasi-communist model, and are also to be avoided like the plague.
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12:30 AM on 11/15/2011
Actually, Communism is a form of democracy, perhaps its purist form. You are correct in your statement that 'there's no real communist countries'. The reason is that the countries have not fully transitioned. They are stuck in passage. Part of the problem is that there is no clear conceptualization of how to move to a pure communist state. There is a theory but mankind seems not to be evolved enough to translate that theory into reality. The closest that we have to a communist system is the Canadian beaver and when you understand how that community works, you will understand communism.
01:01 PM on 11/16/2011
driiiiivel. yes democracy seems better, but easy on the jingoism man. be wary of EVERY system, because no system is perfect and all are corruptible.
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03:08 AM on 11/15/2011
You make some great points. The Venus Project has been called Marxism with Robots on more than one occasion. Not entirely an apt description, but it does share some of the ideas, tho usually arrived at from a different direction. It is our technology that can make the difference. Marx had no idea of the level of technology and scientific knowledge that exists now. I wonder what he would think if he lived today.
02:49 PM on 11/14/2011
First, I'm not sure Suzuki said what the article says he said.

And second, I'm not really sure where the author gets the idea that the Occupy movement is "collectivist" in the sense he means. Certainly not from the movement itself. There may be Old Leftists there, but they are by no means the majority or even the most influential minority
02:04 PM on 11/14/2011
The author's approach here appears to be to put words into Dr. Suzuki's mouth that were never spoken, and then argue against them. He does a wonderful job of defending us all from a bogeyman that exists only in his own imagination.

In the blog post by Dr. Suzuki that seems to be causing Mr. Krossel such consternation, I can find no reference to a desire to rid the world of corporations, nor any mention at all of communism. I am also unaware of any time at which Dr. Suzuki has expressed such views. I'm prepared to stand corrected if Mr. Krossel can provide any actual evidence to support his claims, but I doubt that such evidence exists.

Ironically, Mr. Krossel appears to be arguing the same points being made by Dr. Suzuki, that the excesses of capitalism "must be ameliorated through government regulation". Unfortunately, his apparent need to demonize his imagined communist foe blinds him from the reality that they are on the same side of the issue.