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Canadians vs. Americans: The Final Showdown of Manners

Posted: 08/23/11 04:10 PM ET

Canada is known as America's polite hat. My Canadian friends always encourage me to travel with Canadian flags stuck to my luggage when going to Europe, as I will be treated "better" if I manage to trick Europeans into thinking I'm Canadian. Why? Because, according to them, the world's opinion of an American's manners has been shaped with labels such as "American idiot" or the "ugly American."

In my travels, however, I've found that Canadians seem to be the only people obsessed with not being mistaken for Americans. If I tell a French person or an Italian I am American, no acid is thrown in my face; he or she does not begin berating me over America's foreign policy, or even blame me for Europe's economic woes. More often, I find Europeans usually will immediately want to talk about their love of America -- and end up telling me about their first trip to New York or Miami or LA.

Yes, Canadians are famously polite. But as I have found as an American living in Canada, this may just be a very convenient stereotype. Politeness does not automatically mean you are also kinder, or more generous, or a generally better person than another. Although Americans, generally speaking, may seem loud when out in public, or unapologetic when they run into you in the street, I've found they are more likely to say good morning to you in the elevator, or come more quickly to your aid when you are in some sort of trouble. Manners are better than no manners, of course; but manners are something that can be taught. Actions speak louder than "please."

Recently, I was on a flight departing from Washington D.C. to Toronto. Sitting behind me were two businessmen; from their conversation I gathered that one was American and the other was Canadian. The Canadian asked the American if he had been to Canada before. The American replied that he had not yet had the pleasure of visiting Canada, however, he was very excited to visit Toronto as his Canadian business partners had been so polite and wonderful. The Canadian businessman laughed (in my opinion, rather nastily) and informed the American to "be careful" as Canadians saw Americans as "extremely rude." The American took this insulting generalization good-naturedly, and even chuckled.

But to me this exchange struck me as a perfect example of Canadian rudeness. It is the very opposite of politeness to keep pointing out to others how polite you are and how inferior are their manners. Now that I have spent so much time away from the States, I notice not the "rudeness" or "loudness" of my compatriots, but in fact their extraordinary graciousness in the face of total strangers who keep telling them how unpleasant they are.

 

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Canada is known as America's polite hat. My Canadian friends always encourage me to travel with Canadian flags stuck to my luggage when going to Europe, as I will be treated "better" if I manage to tr...
Canada is known as America's polite hat. My Canadian friends always encourage me to travel with Canadian flags stuck to my luggage when going to Europe, as I will be treated "better" if I manage to tr...
 
 
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09:21 PM on 09/25/2011
Why do you not state that you are a Canadian living in Canada, as you have dual citizenship, as opposed to an American living in Canada..... very curious. Also, considering the subject of your article (quite silly, really) I hope that you did not spend a fortune on your education..... obtained in Canada, I believe - tell me, did you pay fees as a foreign student ( as an 'American' living in Canada - quite expensive compared to a 'national', or did you pay as a Canadian student (substantially less)....It seems to me that Canada has been very generous to you and that you have benefited from the best that Canada has to offer. Perhaps a kind word would be in order, instead of this drivel!
canuckjen
A life that is lived is a life of evolution.
07:48 PM on 08/25/2011
I've never before heard that "Canada is known as America's polite hat." I''d like to see some evidence for that assertion. Canada is not a hat on the head of America. That's a pretty bizarre comparison.
11:09 PM on 08/24/2011
The last American I spoke to face to face was a waitress in this funky main street cafe in the sleepy town of Bonner's Ferry, Idaho. She told me she knew I was Canadian because I ordered brown toast. That seemed weird to me but she was right of course. Everyone has their own little ideas about what other groups of people are like. None of these ideas are going to stand up to any kind of objective scrutiny. I don't know where the stereotype of the polite Canadian or the stereotype of the rude American came from, but I have certainly met a lot of rude Canadians and a lot of polite Americans. I really don't think you should even try to debunk stereotypes like these because most of us understand that they have no validity in the first place, even if we occasionally crack wise about them, and going to the trouble of debunking them just gives them the appearance of substance.
09:43 PM on 08/24/2011
I moved to Canada when I was 15. My father lives in the U.S., while my mother lives in Canada. I have spent plenty of time in both Countries. Never have I EVER experienced such horrible ridicule as when I had to tell my new Canadian classmates that I had moved from the U.S.
I've had bosses, teachers, friends, boyfriends, and Canadian family members tell me that they are "surprised...I don't seem like an American."
In all my time in the U.S., however, I have never heard anything rude, or ignorant said about the fact that I am also Canadian. I've never been asked if we live in igloos, never been asked if we don't have highways...all of that is coming from the Canadian side...and it's pretty awful.
11:10 PM on 08/24/2011
Obviously all of these people thought very highly of Americans and unfortunately felt that you didn't measure up. I can see how that would upset you.
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07:56 PM on 08/24/2011
Canadians aren't the ones who labelled Americans as impolite or rude - people around the world have done that. When I've travelled in the U.K., I've had people tell me "Oh - you're CANADIAN!! Well, come on in. We were worried that you were American". I'm not making that up! It has happened - more than once! So the fact that people in other countries have been nice to Ms. Frum, says more about the kindness of those people - not Americans.
BritishColumbian
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08:32 PM on 08/24/2011
I have recently travelled to Turkey, Portugal and Spain and experienced the same reactions.
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walkerhds
10:39 AM on 08/25/2011
You know why the English do that right? The Americans were rude enough to make them ship soldiers and mercenaries 5000 miles away so the Brits could hang onto their colonial interests. :D
11:31 AM on 08/27/2011
And the Yanks stole their best girls!
06:00 PM on 08/24/2011
In a showdown of manners, wouldn't each side insist that the other was the more polite person and deserved to win the showdown? It would be the polite thing to do.
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davidwgray08
04:00 PM on 08/24/2011
Bang on. Canadians are so full of it when it comes to Americans and the hypocrisy escapes most of them. No, all of them.
aintnoliberalnow
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07:25 PM on 08/24/2011
spoken like a true son of the south
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efffox
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07:56 PM on 08/24/2011
Ignorance about Canada is your only defence.
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grinningdog
03:28 PM on 08/24/2011
Had I read the article with a bit more attention I would have seen under her name, in fine print, that she works for "The Sun News". I probably would have stopped reading there and moved onto the next article. I can't think of a single instance where I agreed with anything anyone from Sun News (or Faux News) had to say about anything. It's like they're paid to troll me.
01:33 PM on 08/24/2011
"I've found that Canadians seem to be the only people obsessed with not being mistaken for Americans."

Well, duh, who else is going to be mistaken for Americans when traveling? I've met New Zealanders who object to being mistaken for Australians - so we gave each other lessons on how to distinguish between our respective accents.
04:35 PM on 08/24/2011
I remember I once saying to this American fellow I was on tour with something about his being from Wyoming and he was quite annoyed that I mistaken his home state for Colorado. Really...insulted.

So , no it's just Canadians...
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cameron d
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01:24 PM on 08/24/2011
We're not being rude in large urban centers, we have things to do and places to go. We're being economical in our time usage.
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12:40 PM on 08/24/2011
It all seems rather pitiful this attempt to distinguish between the two. The World Fact Book published by the United State’s Central Intelligence Agency claims that “approximately 90% of the population is concentrated within 160 km of the US border.
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newshoundmama
My bite's worse than my bark
05:33 PM on 08/24/2011
And your point is?
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efffox
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08:48 PM on 08/24/2011
Obvious all of us Canadians are so desperate to live in the U.S. we all live near the border just in case they forget to close the door behind them one day and we can all sneak in!!!
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Glass Cannon
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12:28 PM on 08/24/2011
As a Canadian often visiting the United States I am much more likely to be engaged in pleasant conversation, helped with any difficulties I might have, and generally found acceptable. Wait staff are almost always polite and attentive, and people in general display a great degree of empathy and interest. Smiles are given, doors are held open and conversation breaks out on public transport!

I cannot say the same for Canadians, on average. For example, in a crowded room or other venue, most Canadians I rub shoulders with act as though they are the only ones there, and stare past you like you were a piece of inconveniently placed furniture, should you come too close. There is little idle conversation, and few smiles in recognition. Likewise with store clerks or wait staff, who often seem to ignore you except to take the money; no eye contact at all. Further I am almost daily flipped off in traffic, elbowed in doorways, and cut off in line at food stands. I simply do not experience this behavior to any significant degree when I am in the States.

Would that Canadian truly were polite and genial. I agree with the author here in that much of that "politeness" is a convenient myth.
04:36 PM on 08/24/2011
I don't know...most stores I go into their all over you when I want to just brouse..
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05:09 PM on 08/24/2011
An ongoing comment made by Americans, joking about Canadians, is that we say "I'm sorry", or "sorry" all the time; as if that meant we were polite, which is what it seems to mean to them - that we're excusing ourselves all the time even when we haven't done anything wrong.....that's because we're used to having our heads bitten off all the time, especially when we haven't done anything wrong at all.

Canadians are rude and obstreperous and, like you say, are either hostile or wary of eye contact or personal engagement; their arrogance in thinking they're better than Americans is one of the most obnoxious commonalities, found among people from all provinces, though to a much lesser degree in the Maritimes and Newfoundland, where people don't have the same kind of defensive - or aggressive - self-importance, that marks so much of the rest of the country. Americans are congenial and, yes, more likely to help you out, and are not wary of strangers as most Canadians have become, at least those west of the Ottawa River, and especially west of the Great Lakes.

False self-importance is a mark of a lack of real confidence, and also of just a plain bad attitude; too much of this country has it, and not just the Tory-voting element either.

I do know I'd rather sit next to an American on a plane or in a foreign restaurant than another Canadian.....
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walkerhds
10:47 AM on 08/25/2011
You still owe us an apology for Bryan Adams....
12:27 PM on 08/24/2011
"No acid is thrown in my face".Oh! My God. What a horrid choice of words.
12:26 PM on 08/24/2011
I think it may say something about urban centres to begin with, American or Canadian. I remember being young, and hearing stories about the loud ignorance of Americans. Then, I left the country and travelled. I met Americans, I married an American - a soldier to boot. Since being with him as I've travelled around the States, and while moving to a large Eastern city, I feel that the blame probably lies in large urban centres.
I can't describe how wonderful I feel when I'm away from large cities - in the States or in Canada. In both of these countries, there are sincere, caring people who will go out of the way to start up a little conversation while buying groceries. That is the mark of a polite person, in my books.
I think the idea that Americans are mean and rude is the equivellent of talking smack about the neighbour down the road. Doesn't do a lick of good.
04:40 PM on 08/24/2011
everybody has travel horror stories but my experince is you get what give. You walk in expecting unpleasantness, you'll get it. You give everyone a smile...it goes a long way.

that even works with the rude people, regardless of where they are from.
BritishColumbian
American/Canadian liberal
05:00 PM on 08/24/2011
I totally agree with you. The attitude you present to the world is the one that comes back to you no matter what your nationality or background.
08:28 PM on 08/24/2011
I wouldn't say that I had bad travel stories - and I think you're right about getting what you give. A smile does go a long way.
However, I feel that it takes a lot more time to connect to a lot of folks in the larger cities. They are busy people. (Surely, I've found myself in the same situation.) In smaller cities, it's taken about six months to a year to get to know people. In the larger city I'm in, it's taken a while.
aintnoliberalnow
Old,cranky and retired
11:07 AM on 08/24/2011
I think she has confused Canadians with Large urban Centre Canadians, Urbanites are mostly fixated on commuting, job, finance and surviving in a crowded,hurried and competitive environment. They are not intentionally rude, they are just focused on time management and social survival. small centre and rural Canada is no where near as frenetic or driven as the larger centres and it is here that the totally inaccurate concept of the polite Canadian probably was born. You want to see just how impolite and angry most Canadians can get, just scratch the surface in a traffic jam, a cancelled flight situation, some one butting in line or stealing your property. By the way, it was the Americans who hung this erroneous handle on us and yes, abroad they are one of the most obnoxious national groups on earth. At home they are one of the best. Only the French are worse and it doesn't matter where they are, just ask the tour operators in Quebec who have to cater to them.
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Glass Cannon
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06:07 PM on 08/24/2011
Perhaps Urban Canadians are not intentionally rude, but they can try to be intentionally polite, or even kind. Sometimes it's that small effort that makes all the difference.
aintnoliberalnow
Old,cranky and retired
07:12 PM on 08/24/2011
I think that 1 on 1 they are little different than us bumpkins. It is the crowd mentality that drives urban dwellers to place less emphasis on nicities and more on personal space and self interest. Lets be honest, when we think of large urban centres in Canada we think mainly of the Golden Horse shoe area of Toronto/Hamilton and Montreal. My greatest nightmare is driving anywhere between the 2 centres on 401 on a Fri or Sun. They are not nice people in those cars and they elicit a like respnse from the rest of us which tends to support my contention that it is situational. Montrealers who I have met out of the country also tend to be louder and more gregarious than even the Toronto Italians and try partying with them in the Caribean some time if you want to see "outgoing".