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The F-35: Actual Cost? $148 Million. Political Cost? Priceless.

Posted: 04/ 4/2012 12:35 pm

The irony in the whole F-35 aircraft controversy is that no matter how good the strike aircraft may be, its full capacity will probably never be used by Canada.

The present CF-18 plane that it is supposed to replace was also never used to its full potential, although it shot up Libyan installations that never fired back. Before that, the CF-18 was used in Kosovo and for a few minutes in the first Gulf war.

But those weren't defensive uses of the aircraft but offensive, and to give the pilots a chance to use them in action. Cosmetic stuff, really, otherwise the aircraft would have gone through their whole life expectancy without seeing action.

Of course an effective military is a form of insurance policy, hopefully never needed.

But the monkey business over Canada committing (sort of) for the hugely expensive F-35s without competitive bids as "the only acceptable plane," stinks to high heaven.

If it's the "only acceptable plane," what's to fear from competitive bids?

Over-budgeted, over-advertised and underperforming, Auditor-General Michael Ferguson has taken aim at the whole business. He's clearly disgusted (but not surprised) that DND mislead, fibbed and withheld info from Defence Minister Peter MacKay, who's the one who should be really sore at DND. The public, too, has reason to be upset. DND always does this -- and no one ever is fired for it.

Now, apparently, decisions on the F-35 have been removed from DND and assigned to the Public Works Deparment. Does that make sense? If DND is untrustworthy, what in hell does Public Works know about strike aircraft and stealth characteristics?

How about a Treasury Board committee ruling on what's militarily acceptable and what isn't? More shame and embarrassment to DND fudgers. They brought it on themselves.

The air force loves complex strike aircrafts with state of the art technology, just as navy guys love the idea of submarines (even though no Canadian submarine has ever fired a torpedo in anger). The four second-hand subs the British persuaded us to buy in 1998, have had considerable difficulty going under water without leaking.

The 65 F-35s that we once thought we were pledged to purchase (until Associate Defence Minister Julian Fantino told the country no deal had yet been signed) were originally expected to cost $75 million each -- a record price -- but now may cost $150 million each. The cost elevator is still rising.

With the defence budget due to be progressively cut for the next few years, how can we afford the world's most expensive fighter aircraft whose full capabilites will never be needed, or even used?

The answer is that we can't afford it, without cutting some other expenditures.

Often cited is that the F-35 is needed to shadow Russian aircraft that intrude into our northern air space. There is no suggestion that the F-35s would ever shoot down a Russian plane, just watch and report to headquarters.

Most of those commenting on the merits and demerits of the F-35 haven't a clue about the plane's performance, other than what they've been told. That includes me, and the rest of media commentatiors. We rely on DND and the air force experts.

At least competitive bidding might have kept the price down, and opened the debate.

Now, if the F-35 is cancelled or downgraded, it will affect our aerospace inductry and the job market. Other countries are already re-examining their commitments for the F-35 -- a one-engine, limited-range aircraft that seems a curious choice for a coutnry with as much land mass as Canada.

According to a CBC report, if Canada does get the F-35, the lifetime costs of maintaining it are expected to reach $1.5 trillion. And that cost will rise. It doesn't leave much to spend on the army, or helicopters, or equipment to keep our troops effective wherever their next assignment may be.

But it's par for the course in Canada.

One might remember that when our troops first went to Afghanistan they had the wrong type uniforms and insufficient Kevlar vests to protect the soldiers. Maybe with Public Works taking over some DND responsibilities, there'll be more thinking ahead? Maybe, but don't count on it.

 
 
 
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
03:39 PM on 04/08/2012
I still say the government needs to tender some resignations over this. Either for corruption as they got kickbacks for this, for blatently lying to Parliment and the Canadian people, or just plain incompetance for not seeing the most flawed deal in the world and carelessly throwing our defence budget into a pipe dream weapon we'll never use.
11:35 AM on 04/07/2012
Good old Worthless-ton the eternal chicken-hawk, lamenting that none of our pilots were ever killed in combat in the CF 18's!

Its unfortunate that none of our so-called journalists, pose the real questions
Why are we purchasing a few aircraft only capable of defending one of our smaller cities at a time?
Why did we purchase submarines which could, and still cannot not fire our torpedo's?
When is Harper's personal plane being re-painted?
The important things.
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yukoner1
Living way up the left coast.
11:43 PM on 04/06/2012
Great documentary about this $25 billion boondoggle on CPAC at the moment.
10:33 PM on 04/06/2012
Not only would the F-35 not shoot down any Russian planes, in the far north the F-35 would have huge external gas tanks hanging out needed to supplement its anemic range of 581 nautical miles. Those external fuel tanks would completely negate its hugely expensive stealth capabilities. Without the tanks taking off from Cold Lake an F-35 would hardly make over the Alberta border without having to turn around! About halfway to the Arctic Circle. The fact is from a "cost effectiveness" perspective for far-north interceptions the F-35 is the absolute worst option bare none.
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The Canadian
Stop Harper
05:17 PM on 04/06/2012
The F-35 issue raises a number of important issues. We know what a lot of Canadians think about it, but what does the defense industry think about it, and the likelihood that Canada will buy the F-35 regardless of any soaring costs?

Here's a very telling quote from an article from the Defense Industry Daily:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Canada-Preparing-to-Replace-its-CF-18-Hornets-05739/
Article headline: Canada Preparing to Replace its CF-18 Hornets

"The F-35 has a number of elements in its favor.

One is the structure of the Canadian Parliamentary system, in which a majority government has no meaningful checks and balances. If the current majority Conservative Party government wants a plane, it can force the sale through, easily."

So the fact that our governmental system has no checks on Harper's power is a huge factor in favor of the buy. The defense industry recognizes a salient fact about our political system which they can exploit for all its worth.

Regardless of that, the article I quoted is incredibly useful in understanding the whole issue of the F-35 purchase. It's from an authoritative source, and covers things like the history of the procurement process, and something I found particularly useful, an assessment of alternative fighters to the F-35.

As it stands, I cannot conclude Canada is getting a good deal on the F-35s, and we should have examined the competitors a lot more closely than we did.
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john frodo
armchair expert
10:15 AM on 04/05/2012
Anyone with access to the internet knew as early as 2009 this plane was a complete flop.
http://thinkingaboot.blogspot.ca/2011/05/military-industrial-complex-massive.html
07:54 AM on 04/05/2012
The nice part is after we bankrupt our country paying for this beauty of a plane the only airforce on the planet we may have to push back against (Russia's) new fighter that they are building will blow it outta the sky, and thats if we can get it to actually find a motor that works in cold weather and get some fire control computer programing as an upgrade after we purchase the original Pig in a poke.
This bit that the government didn't know anything about it after 6 years is quite a pile of brown stuff.
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
05:44 AM on 04/05/2012
In 2002 we spent 10 million dollars to be part of the selection process in choosing a contractor to build a Joint Strike Fighter.
In 20002 we spent 150 million to be a prefered partner(level 3 partner) which would enable us to pick a slot in the production process to get more favorable pricing.
The curious aspect of this discussion is the general confusion surrounding the parameters of what is actually transpired and how the selection was basicly over in 2002.
We do have the option of dropping out of the JSF project without incurring any cancelation fees.
We do have untill 2013 to sign on the dotted line.
All three parties understand this.
All three parties have understood this since 2002
Yet all we get from them is more of the same.
One galvinizing issue after another where each party gets a chance to rail against the other two in hopes of scoring some points with the base.
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George McAulay
Delighted to meet you
05:21 AM on 04/05/2012
Same deal here in Australia.

Worst part is that its an inferior warcraft compared with the opposition
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jamster88
10:59 PM on 04/04/2012
The was a competitive bidding process when the project started - Boeing lost out.

Only when a large group of nations put their feet in and commit to such a project can it go forward.

The concept of 'competitive bidding' in this scenario is thus totally and utterly misrepresented by this ideological author.
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jamster88
10:55 PM on 04/04/2012
No idea what you are writing about.

The F35 was not a standard procurement. THERE IS NOBODY WHO COULD BUILD SUCH A PLANE FOR ANY LESS. THE ONLY WAY IT GETS BUILT IS IF 5 or 6 NATIONS PONY UP AND COMMIT TO A LONG PROJECT.

The concept of 'bid' is completely mute in this scenario.

That's on the tip of the iceberg of the misinformation in this article.
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The Canadian
Stop Harper
04:50 PM on 04/06/2012
Do educate us then if this article is full of 'misinformation'.

I like to see you 'facts'. I could use a good laugh
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
03:27 PM on 04/08/2012
If you can demonstrat any faslehoods in this article I'll doante 10$ to a charity of your choice.
10:04 PM on 04/04/2012
When do the people actually have a say? I do not want the Govt to buy these planes. We don't need these planes. We need to educate our people, we need to ensure health care for our people. Planes are not an actual priority. Replacing planes is a necessary evil, part of having a military - but why these toys? I want my taxes back.
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Kristopher Leang
training to take down the elite
12:13 PM on 04/05/2012
are you part of the 1% or a big corporation? then harper and the conservatives dont care. im a university student, im seeing food gas, rent and even education hit prices unattainable for most people (who arent rich) i feel you anger. about 60% of us voted for healthcare, education, research and development to help Canadians, help for small business.

but alas the Canadian republican party won
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canobserv
09:14 AM on 04/06/2012
did they?...or did they steal it
09:41 PM on 04/04/2012
Actually these planes might be needed, not against a foreign adversary, but to quell the growing number of Canadian taxpayers who are finally realizing its governments (municipal, provincial, and federal) have no grasp of fiscal responsibility!
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Colin Speth
A Claymore for your thoughts
08:32 PM on 04/04/2012
The F-35 procurement has been a joke and Peter McKay should resign. However, that doesn't change the fact that our Air Force needs a new generation of jets. A modern nation cannot simple cede control of it's airspace, there is not anyone in the world willing to do that. Not to mention that there is no point in buying any military equipment at all or fielding an army of any sort if you are not going to at least try and give it strategic air support/cover. And what about the immorality of sending pilots on dangerous missions in airframes that are years past their intended use date or in jets that are inferior to save a few dollars ?

The CF-18's are done and you can't have it both ways. Either we have an Armed Forces that are capable of protecting our sovereignty and each other or we don't and let someone else do it for us and see where that leads. If it's the former you have to purchase new jets, F-35 or not, so hopefully we can put the politics and partisan BS aside and get on with it.
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jamster88
10:56 PM on 04/04/2012
So McKay goes to buy the F35's at a reasonable price, you say it is 'a joke' - and then you basically justified the purchase of the F35's.

The only way we are going to get them is if McKay stands his ground
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Kristopher Leang
training to take down the elite
12:16 PM on 04/05/2012
jmster once again pushing the conservative agenda mckay didnt get them at a "reasonable price" sorry what is the price jamster? because it actually just moved up. but wait the conservatives said they signed a contract and the price was fixed u say!!

well the AG report says they lied, no contract and at a much higher price

so lets use facts can we jamster not opinion?
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
03:29 PM on 04/08/2012
But we don't WANT them.

Did anyone bother to aks the arm what planes they wanted? The defence contractors want these big fighter deals. We want transport planes and training facilities that don't date from the 1970s.
08:26 PM on 04/04/2012
Harper knew all along the price tag. This is no surprise to the PMO who is command central.
Harper lied.

Harper can now put the screws to McKay once and for all. It will only cost us 1.5 trillion dollars to do it.
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jamster88
10:57 PM on 04/04/2012
FALSE.

THERE IS NO NEW PRICE TAG.

THE AMERICANS ARE PLAYING GAMES WITH US.

WE ARE HOLDING FIRM FOR NOW.

Grow up.
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canobserv
08:19 AM on 04/05/2012
it's the Americans fault...it's the Liberals fault...it's the DNDs fault........do you suppose this government will EVER take responsibility for anything??
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
03:30 PM on 04/08/2012
Um hum. You seem to knwo more about this then the Generals and Opposition members of Parliment.

Please, teach me how to mind read.
08:22 PM on 04/05/2012
So what? No new price tag. In case you didn't understand the post:

Harper either lied or is incompetent. Dollar figures don't seem to matter much to him. It could be a buck or it could be a trillions. meh. Harper just makes up the facts according to whichever publicity staff member he's hired this week. No wonder Angelo left just before this story broke. If you want to follow an incompetent or a liar, or worse an incompetent liar, into a war zone be my guest.

McKay shouldn't be keeping his job as Minister. Handing this over to Public Works? Yeah right. We could call this the 10 billion dollar boondoggle.