It's understandable why Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou (born in the U.S, and attended high school in Toronto) wants to hold a referendum before implementing draconian financial restraints that will cause riots, clashes with police, car burnings, acts of vandalism and anarchy.
He knows what has to be done, but undoubtedly supposes that if a majority of Greeks support austerity measures, that will neutralize hostility on the streets whenever the government takes unpopular but necessary action.
Understandable, too, is the outrage being expressed by the rest of Europe at Papandreou apparently reneging, or equivocating on what was assumed to be a slam-dunk decision.
So once again it's back to the drawing board... or maybe not.
By "going to the people" Papandreou proclaims he is practicing the essence of democracy. The fishhook is that if Greeks reject the deal with Europe, it virtually means that Greece is opting out of the European Union and dumping the euro in favour of going back to the drachma. Either way, wretched financial times are ahead for Greece.
If so, it'll be the first (and least important) domino to fall, but will almost inevitably lead to defaults by Italy, Spain, Portugal.
U.S. President Barack Obama is in Europe to add his two cents to the debate which, the way Europe is heading, could result in a worldwide recession. Again.
Looked at from another viewpoint, there's no way any bailout plan is a long-term solution to Greece's economic woes, brought on by shameful abuse by over-indulged unions, exorbitant pensions, cowardly and deceitful politicians cooking the books, and greedy, self-absorbed citizens.
So whatever Greece's leaders agree to, likely won't be fulfilled, and will be merely Band-Aids until next time.
Now an election looms, as confidence in Papandreou and his PASOK socialist party is at low tide. If a vote of no-confidence ousts the government, will things change for the better? Unlikely. The culture remains constant.
Greece has shown little sense of responsibility or willingness to endure necessary sacrifices. So be it. Will the Greek people support Papandreou in a referendum, and thus continue using the euro as its currency, as 17 of the European Union's 27 countries do?
If I were a betting person (and sometimes I am), I'd bet that a referendum would favour Papandreou, if only because the alternative would be so financially catastrophic.
If the Greek people vote not to accept stern measures in order to remain using the euro, and getting eight billion euro as Band-Aid bailout, then say goodbye.
Let 'em go. Let 'em make their own way until they change their minds and rejoin the club and adhere to existing rules. If that means another recession, or even a depression, better now than at some time in the future when damage will be even greater.
Canada as well as America will be hurt if (when) Greece officially defaults, and (or) Germany and France get fed up with all the hanky-panky and cut their losses.
No matter what, Canada will be better off than most countries -- thanks to our banking system which is widely recognized as the world's best -- thanks to Jean Chretien and Paul Martin (as finance minister), and now the sensible Harper government with Jim Flaherty as finance minister.
President Obama's contribution to emergency discussions in Cannes seem ironic, especially when he has contributed to the economic crisis in his own country, and his own future is threatened in next year's presidential election because of his failures.
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Sounds fair to me.
i have posted responses to worthington before and my opinions have yet to see the light of day. maybe todays censors will be more reasonable.
To think that the US is somehow directing Papandreou to bail out its "key" allies, like Greek, Italian, and French banks that hold the debt stretches the imagination. The US cares because it is worried that if Europe implodes, it will will take down the whole world with it. China is worried about the same thing, which is why they have committed to provide some financial support to Europe.
I agree that the deal smells fishy and doesn't seem to present a sustainable solution for the Greek people, but blame European leaders, not the US, on this one.
http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/column/article_fb4923c6-8594-51dc-bda5-c10a8563116d.html
A large percent of people working for the government, retiring in their early 50s with high pensions, health care completely free, college tuition free, and no real industry beyond tourism and agriculture to speak of.
They are clearly living beyond their means and a day of reckoning is coming either sooner (if they vote against the plan) or later (they go along with the plan for now).
losses !
America is next !
Whatever the ORDINARY Greek people did, those Greeks higher up and foreigners did most of the dirty.
We see the spoiled kids in the streets of Athens DEMANDING to be able to retire with full pension in their 50s, free medical care, free college tuition, numerous vacation and holidays, etc. The crying will evenutally stop and reality will set in.
However, like the Great Depression, THIS time around was due mostly to the upper classes ruining the economy and not the little people.
Of course ordinary workers contributed to the economic meltdown, but they were minor players compared to the rich and upper classes.
****As always, I am talking about groups and not individuals.
You mean like big banks, big corporations, and Wall Street?
Actually, they buy the politicians and with the laws in their favor, they make a lot of money.
All the ordinary people can do is vote and hope the politicians give them something back.
-Andrew Jackson
Either way, the Greeks are going to suffer big time, but maybe they want to get the German/Eurozone yoke off their necks.
The Greek people in the last elections already voted out the party that lead the gov't that massed up all this debt, and hid the debt. Didn't help them much when at the same time the "subprime" (what a nice euphemism) crisis hit the country like other countries. It was wasn't the Eurozone that created that 2008 crisis. And it wasn't any of the countries that at least promise money to Greece that invented the financial instruments to speculate against a country's bonds.
Going back to Drachme means one thing: Will be real cheap to buy up Greece's assets for those who have money.
And finally: Why does a Greek tycoon plan to invest his money in German department stores now instead of helping his own country with his investments????
Iceland defaulted and, although they are going through tough times now (who isn't), they will probably be better off for it down the road. Greece should probably do the same thing. The Euro cannot be saved, because it is not just about Greece. Portugal, Ireland, Spain...all are ready to crash. Italy is barely hanging on. Britain is trying to deal with the problem by putting it on the backs of the working people. France and Germany are barely keeping it together. All they are doing is dragging outa disaster that cannot be avoided.
External debt to GDP ratio
Italy = 135%
Spain = 173%
France = 208%
Portugal = 239%
England = 384%
Ireland = 1098%
To put things into perspective, Greece is at about 174%
- http://www.cnbc.com/id/30308959/The_World_s_Biggest_Debtor_Nations?slide=1
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
- http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html