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Canada Has No Place in Syria's Not-So-Civil War

Posted: 06/15/2012 8:33 am

Now that the UN has finally acknowledged that Syria is in a "full blown civil war," it's even more reason why we of the Western alliance should stay out of it. What is to be gained by intervention, other than curbing a tyrant?

Reports from the battle zones -- now apparently spreading, even to Damascus -- are horrifying and cry for action. It may seem strange, but the military of Bashar al-Assad is now reported to be targeting children -- as if that will deter parents from opposing the regime.

"Targeting" children does not mean doing what rogue countries like Chad, Congo, Somalia and Sudan do by recruiting child soldiers and sending them to commit atrocities that adults might shrink from. In Syria, "targeting" children means killing them, not recruiting them.

While the civilized world recoils at the barbarism of the Assad regime, the Soviet Union -- whoops, it's Russia now, although it sometimes behaves like the old Soviet regime -- is reportedly sending attack helicopters to help the Syrian military crush dissent.

Assad's Syria is Russia's client and closest ally. Iran, too, needs Assad's Syria as a necessary ally that allows shipments of arms and instruments of terror to Hezbollah and Hamas for continued harassment of Israel.

Since Russia and Iran are taking sides in this growing Syrian civil war, it might be tempting for the U.S. and its allies to intervene on the side of "the good guys." That's what we might have done in the old days of the Cold War. But not now.

Harsh as it may seem, intervention would be a mistake.

What the "rebels" (if you want to call them that) are fighting against is the tyranny reflected in places like Russia, China and leftist dictatorships. If we (meaning Western democracies) entered the fray, it'll be war by proxy and wouldn't curb bloodshed, but spread it.

Besides, America's goals differ. While it wants regime change in Syria, it seeks some sort of accommodation with Iran over nuclear weapons. Any kind of American military action in either of these countries causes nightmares to President Barack Obama whose single greatest priority is to be re-elected in November.

Any sort of military adventure would drastically hurt his chances -- which aren't that good anyway. Remember, here's the guy who won a Nobel Peace Prize for doing exactly nothing. The perception grows with every fund-raiser he attends, that his job is too much for him -- even if he's convinced the private sector of the economy "is doing just fine."

As the death toll rises in Syria, there is no let up from rebel factions which seem to be winning in the sense that they refuse to be beaten. There's a lot of courage at work, and neither side is reluctant to commit atrocities. That's inevitable in civil wars.

If Assad does eventually capitulate and flee the country, the incoming regime will need Western help. If it happens, it'll be a defeat for Russia and China -- but it won't necessarily mean democracy for Syria, any more than the Egyptian and Libyan rebellions brought "democracy" to those countries.

One hopes those who implement decisions in Washington, London, Paris and even Ottawa, are poised to act when the day comes that Syria will need friends whose interests are compatible with their own.

But that day has not yet arrived.

 
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Now that the UN has finally acknowledged that Syria is in a "full blown civil war," it's even more reason why we of the Western alliance should stay out of it. What is to be gained by intervention, ot...
Now that the UN has finally acknowledged that Syria is in a "full blown civil war," it's even more reason why we of the Western alliance should stay out of it. What is to be gained by intervention, ot...
 
 
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Deir Yassin Survivor
10:17 PM on 06/17/2012
There is a misconception on the part of Worthington regarding Iran and influence in the region.
That's what you get when writing an article solely based on media headlines.
There is nothing new here and no insight just regurgitated propaganda.

As for Canada Foreign Minister Baird will do nothing until instructed by his owners.
Harper is busy selling copy-write laws to the highest bidder in the USA this week so he is out of it as well.
Thankfully so too because if either of these people get involved a mistake will occur and Canada’s reputation as a honest broker internationally will suffer more damage.
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Turdinthepunchbowl
I float like a butterfly but stink like the GOP
09:57 AM on 06/16/2012
Here's a sample of Mr. Worthington's views on democracy from his own mouth from a moderated Canoe "chat." I think this speaks to Peter's views of a cooperative partner in Syria. Notice the timeline is during Arafat's reign:

Phil: Peter: what would you suggest to ease tensions in Israel right now?

Peter Worthington: Knocking off Arafat, and for the Israelis to quit using rubber bullets, and to make a deal with some other Palestinian warlord who can be corrupted with favours. I don't think there's any way to persuade the younger generations in Palestine to make peace with Israel because all school kids have been thoroughly been indoctrinated in hate.

Worthington concludes:
Moderator: That concludes our chat with Peter Worthington today. On behalf of CANOE readers, I'd like to thank you for your time and insight. Now, we'll give Mr. Worthington the last word:

Peter Worthington: The part of your audience that agrees with me is very wise and good looking but there's hope for the others if they read the Toronto Sun (and Canoe).

http://www.canoe.ca/cgi-bin/hchat/hchat?Room=PeterWorthington
01:36 AM on 06/16/2012
Well Mr. Peter unfortunately you put your analysis here without even knowing what is happening in Syria, and without paying any attention to what the west would like to see happening in Syria. They thought they could take down the regime in just a few weeks, but their hopes have not been realized. Noe they do not know what to do. They are pushing all the world against Syria. At the end, they will loose their bet, at least how i see it. Time will show!!
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lilkitten22
Be the change that you wish to see in the world
11:38 PM on 06/15/2012
and letting everyone die while the UN fiddles it's fingers is useless too
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10:08 PM on 06/15/2012
"One hopes those who implement decisions in Washington, London, Paris and even Ottawa, are poised to act when the day comes that Syria will need friends whose interests are compatible with their own.
But that day has not yet arrived."

You mean the CEO's aren't poised to act because their interests in profiting off of Syria's resources are not compatible with their own profits elsewhere. The day has yet to arrive where there are profits to be exploited, then they will care about Syria trumping talking points such as 'democracy' and 'freedom.' "But that day has not yet arrived."
06:10 PM on 06/15/2012
The "targeting children" to intimidate parents is on one side one of the most monstrous and horrendous things i have ever heard. On the other hand Lybia citizen being murdered by the regime reports are now being called into question,many were fake when they weren't the rebels themselves who murdered the people.

"That's what we might have done in the old days of the Cold War" A. the cold war was a shame, US propaganda trumped up and exaggerated the military, economic, scientific and nuclear abilities and strength of the USSR and satellite countries , especially in the 70's when the communists began to greatly far behind the "west". Point of that was "the threat" has always been an american playing card, and they are ready to use it, whether they want oil, or in Vietnam where they jsut want to attack another country for the hell of it.

"it seeks some sort of accommodation with Iran over nuclear weapons." by all expert accounts Iran would take at least 3 years to develop nuclear weapons IF they had a nuclear program. which they DO NOT> which they might if they feel threatened by the western nations continually beating the iran wardrum..remember Iraq which you screwed up royally, lied about nukes while letting a truly insane regime, north korea get them..

what kind of incapable inept fools are leading our countries i ask? to both Canadians and americans
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
03:52 PM on 06/15/2012
If Assad does eventually capitulate and flee the country, the incoming regime will need Western help. If it happens, it'll be a defeat for Russia and China -- but it won't necessarily mean democracy for Syria, any more than the Egyptian and Libyan rebellions brought "democracy" to those countries.
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Maybe not, but its a far sight better then the chance they have now. The reason the think tanks are not recomending we go into Syria is because we might lose. Libya, Tunsia, these palces we ahve total millitary supiriority. If we hit Syria we'd take casulties and no western power wants the nightmare of a POW held against them.
12:18 PM on 06/15/2012
Excuse me, "leftist regime?"
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01:00 PM on 06/15/2012
Syria is technically a "socialist" state, but not in reality.
Its easy for right-wingers to take things at face value as opposed to deconstruct and analyze them.
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LilPuppy
Canadian conservative,still left of a democrat
02:02 PM on 06/15/2012
kinda the same way the Left calls a conservative government fascist..I do agree with you but it does go both ways
11:03 AM on 06/15/2012
We've already been bankrolling the rebels for millions of dollars. Not to mention, there's always those "consultants", "trainers" and "obeservers" on the ground they never really publicly declare. This is already our conflict.

This isn't really a civil war at all, it's a proxy war between the puppets of two spheres of power. And by the way, it's completely ridiculous to call any country involved either "leftist" or "rightist" in this conflict. Those terms really have no meaning when it comes to these kinds of international competitons for power.
10:30 AM on 06/15/2012
Trouble is, the west is not "out of it". The U.S. is playing games and arming the opposition indirectly through Qatar and probably the Saudi's and even Turkey.
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Gnomish
ego doctus ignarus
10:21 PM on 06/16/2012
There have been some interesting arms displays on social media hard to tell who's equipment it is
The West would most likely be selling deniable weapons.

Certainly the effects on armor are impressive.
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1846
Deir Yassin Survivor
10:30 PM on 06/17/2012
Unfortunately for the USA they needed an ally to walk them into the UN with a strong message for intervention.
No one stepped forward.
Sarkozy is gone and the British are still unhappy about the double-cross from Bush after helping in Iraq, Spain who helped in Iraq asked for financial help last month and was told to get stuffed buy the USA so they are unlikely to lend any support. Germany is simply not dumb enough. Saudi Arabia maybe but all they have is money and moral support which comes at a steep price to the USA and is unlikey to influence the UN.
Canada who cannot seem to decide is the USA or Israel is their BFF could send in the Baird/Israeli coalition but since Israel has found it more cost effective to influence others to do their fighting all this will accomplish is allot of duplicitous talk from Baird.

Allied against the USA is Russia, China, Iran and most of the 14 Billion Muslims in the world who simply want the USA to go home and stop social engineering the globe.

Syria looks like it is in for a long fight against external sources unless Iran steps in to stop it.