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You Can't Stop Crime if You Can't Say Who Is Doing it

Posted: 07/18/2012 12:20 pm

What to do about gun violence in Toronto -- or anywhere else, for that matter?

Well, contrary to prevailing opinion, there's a lot that can be done.

For starters, we (the police and government) should determine who is doing the shooting. Is there a particular segment of society that is more prone to using guns than other groups?

If the answer is "yes," then steps can be taken to curb such violence.

But to make the initial determination means profiling who exactly is doing the shooting and, in general, who the victims of such shootings are.

"Profiling" is a taboo word for many, especially human rights zealots who equate "profiling" with bullying or unfairly picking on a portion of the community. The last cop who identified a crime-prone group got reprimanded and demoted.

Examining gun violence is more like diagnosing who and why such violence is rampant. And diagnosis is essential before one can find a cure. The two go hand and fist.

The reality is that the groups for whom handguns are a factor of daily life are adept at profiling and making targets of their enemies.

In Toronto, the ones using guns -- and the victims of shootings -- mostly tend to be of Jamaican origin. Police know this, even if they can't say so publicly.

Certainly Jamaicans know it, be they gun-wielding Jamaicans, victims of shootings, or Jamaicans who want no part of gun-culture and deplore violence, and who probably came to Canada to escape such violence in Jamaica itself.

In every election in Jamaica, there are reports of guns being used -- not by the majority, but by the few who give the majority a bad name. It is usually not people from Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, St. Lucia, Benin, etc. who are addicted to using guns in Canada.

Yes, gang rivalry exacerbates gun violence, and that's an issue for police to handle. Politicians scolding and pronouncing does little -- nor will more basketball courts change the culture. Gangs are immune to reason

This is a nasty summer for Toronto by way of gun violence, where innocents get killed by accident -- 178 shooting victims so far this year.

Apart from the usual declarations about educating and encouraging peaceful discourse, it's essential that those who carry guns be persuaded that it is dangerous to do so, if caught.

The mandatory three-year prison sentence for even carrying a handgun is useful only if it's non-negotiable and can't be plea-bargained away.

We've had a recent case where a guy was sentenced on a drug offence, and got an additional three years for offering to sell an undercover cop a .45 handgun. The judge reduced the three years to one year because he didn't think it was fair.

A case can be made that the guy shouldn't have even gotten one year. He didn't have a gun, and was only talking about selling one that he didn't have. You don't jail someone for big talk about a gun he doesn't have, but you do sent him to jail if he has one.

Too often, people are arrested with a gun who are on bail for a crime involving a gun. That's also wrong. It shouldn't take long to convict someone for carrying a gun in a crime, even if the verdict of crime itself is in question.

It's conceivable an accused could be found not guilty of robbery, but guilty of carrying a gun. A mandatory sentence puts him out of circulation for three years.

That's not a cure for a social problem, but it treats the symptom.

 
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12:15 PM on 07/19/2012
The only part of this blog that I agree with is a mandatory sentence for the illegal posession of a firearm.
10:25 AM on 07/19/2012
I think this article missed a very important point - social programs and funding for daycares in the city of Toronto. The Harper administration cries foul when gun violence goes up - but what did you expect to happen when the youth face such a dismal future? The parents are over worked and not around to make sure their kids are brought up with the type of attitude that finds this violence deplorable.

I realize this isn't an immediate solution but it is a long term one.
09:37 AM on 07/19/2012
Well Peter, what I really want is people to take responsibility for themselves and their kids! I want to see discipline, punishment. I would like to see parent teach their children respect for authority, as sense of decency. I want people to stop patting kids on the head telling them they can say and do ANYTHING they like. I never permitted my kids to call their teacher by their first name. Something small, but it teaches respect. It is the small things that matter. The parents of these gang bangers should be ashamed. Just reading some responses to this article shocks me! And these people are parents. OMG..
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07:46 AM on 07/19/2012
Just say it, you know you want to: have the blacks arrested on spot check, frisk them and if they don't have a weapon on them, tag 'em.

While we are on the issue of profiling, how many blacks worked for your paper in proportion to the amount of blacks there are in Toronto? We like profiling, not so much employment equity. Gotta say, you didn't use the word black once. When it comes to crime we all know of a white guy by the name of Black who has not spent a day in a Canadian prison.
10:05 AM on 07/19/2012
Is it hard to breathe with your head stuck in the sand...?
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11:19 AM on 07/19/2012
Not as hard as where's yours is! At least I see the sunshine ;-)
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10:10 AM on 07/19/2012
Blacks arent all Jamaicans, I think Worthington is saying he wants profiling of Jamaicans.
But how do you profile Jamaicans without profiling blacks?
Stop them and make them sing something from Bob Marley?
How strange.
01:19 AM on 07/19/2012
According to peer-reviewed journals and academics ( I will provide the link at the end) the vast majority of crime is white collar crime. The perps are usually middle-aged white males who are well dressed and live in the suburbs (if we are going to profile let's be truthful and brave). Yet, they are prosecuted at a much lower rate than their street crime counterparts. The term "white collar crime" was coined in the 1930's and is usually contrasted to street crime; in the United States studies comparing the loss in dollars from white collar crime versus street crime range from 10-1 to 50-1 respectively (in other words street crime accounts for anywhere from 10% to 2% of losses in dollars as compared to white collar crime).

This link is to an article by Professor of Law at Washburn University School of Law, Mary Martinez:

http://works.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1003&context=mary_ramirez
08:54 AM on 07/19/2012
Correction: Should read Mary "Ramirez" (not Martinez) of Washburn University.
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12:59 AM on 07/19/2012
Peter I want all white bankers put in jail before they cause more problems to society!
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10:50 AM on 07/19/2012
Hey!

I'm with you there......

I will also send you $20 for every WHITE guy arresting in the recent Toronto shootings......and my money is safe.
05:34 PM on 07/19/2012
How about you send me $20 for every white guy in a criminal motorcycle organization.
12:19 AM on 07/19/2012
"'Profiling' is a taboo word for many, especially human rights zealots who equate "profiling" with bullying or unfairly picking on a portion of the community."

Indeed. It's interesting that we are all too quick to point out the ethnicity of the individuals responsible for this kind of behaviour but strangely not their gender. It's only fair.

Hey, why not petition the government to restrict in-migration to only desirable immigrants in the future, ie women. To those who are already here, well, keep an eye on them and beef up security in places where they're known to congregate... and for those who lucked out and were already born here, why not institute a nationwide curfew? Bet that'll stop the shootings pretty damn fast... and a large portion of other crimes too.
12:00 AM on 07/19/2012
""Profiling' is a taboo word for many, especially human rights zealots who equate "profiling" with bullying or unfairly picking on a portion of the community."

Indeed.
11:42 PM on 07/18/2012
leftists and liberals have stifled the police as no one wants to do anything with human rights tribunals and risk being labeld racist or some other buzz leftist term. this has lead to cops naturally withdrawing from certain areas and not paying as much attention to them. who would want to go against the all powerful human rights zealots. now, there is a situation where these communities are left defenceless thanks to all the human rights zealots that actually enable crime to proliferate.
12:20 AM on 07/19/2012
"leftists and liberals" bleagh bleagh bleagh. You mean the people who are actually trying to improve the situation in these neighbourhoods, so the violence is reduced? I suppose you want to go back to more conservative times, when the police presence in poor, ethnic communities was so overwhelming that no violence ever occurred. Oh, wait, there never was a time like that, because before leftists and liberals started blathering on about human rights, police ignored at-risk communities completely.
09:25 AM on 07/19/2012
So your saying the problem is the poor and ethnic then I guess! Makes me laugh. When the police are there you guys scream racism, profiling and a police state. When they are not there you scream and cry they were not there to control stupidity! Get real. Take control of your community by teaching your children to have some respect for authority and themselves. Try some discipline starting with yourselves people!!!
09:58 PM on 07/19/2012
o yeah, and how these leftist programs have worked out so far - cops are afraid to actually police in the hoods for the fear of being labelled racist, youth gangster cause havoc b/c they know they can get away with murder (literally) as liberal judges downplay the magnitude of crimes, marital breakdown rans rampant as liberals don't believe in family values or religious upbringing, etc.,  so there you go - great receipe for success - no wonder it's working so well.  strong deterrence, strong family values and strong opportunities in life wil get these communities out of this cycle of repeated violence.  you won't be able to achieve it though by banning bullets or instlaling more basketball courts.  there is more to it than that.
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12:32 AM on 07/19/2012
The problem with profiling is that arseholes come in every race, colour, religion, income group and gender.
10:01 PM on 07/19/2012
what is a cop supposed to do in a hood where 90% of crime is committed by ethnic criminals that live there. obviously everyone knows that yet cops won't police as they will be labelled racist.  how  is that profiling when 90% of the hood is ethnic.  liberal ideas have allowed this crime wave to continue as the criminals know that they are virtually untouchabel by cops and judges who in their liberal mindset let them go off nearly scott-free.
08:29 PM on 07/18/2012
OK, so the Toronto gun toters are mostly blacK Jamaicans. In Vancouver, many of them are brown. So, we'd beat round them all up and send them to camps in, say northern Saskatchewan. Why do I know I'd best announce that I'm being satirical?
07:21 PM on 07/18/2012
A great article. Very brave to discuss so openly what is an obvious problem and seemingly simple solution. We really need to go back to the "type of immigrant" that we allow into the country. We should be ensuring that they can contribute to our society in a positive manner, in some way other than cheap labor. We need to focus more on technically skilled and educated persons who will bring to the mix positive aspects of their culture and society in order to contribute to, and enrichen our own.
10:40 PM on 07/18/2012
Faved that by mistake...
Nothing could be more insulting to an immigrant community than the "type of immigrant" argument. By those standards, a lot of incredible people that make a huge difference in the lives of the people around them would be kept out of this country, kept from living with their families and deemed "unwanted" simply because they are a category of immigrant. The problem, i believe, is not the immigrant but the society into which they are integrated. There was a time when people could come to Canada and work the night shift janitor job knowing that it could get their children into school and there work was not going to waste. The society in which we currently live is one of instant gratification, and one of individualism. These two characteristics mean that when an immigrant comes here they are brought into a society of vast material wealth the likes of which they are unaccustomed to in some cases. Individualism means that they will do what they have to do to acquire that wealth, regardless of the means. Marginalized groups in society will always appear to have more problems. How these problems arise is never simple to identify. the answer is most certainly not going back to ridiculous quasi-racist immigration policies of the early 20th century.
03:57 AM on 07/19/2012
I'm not sure I understand your argument. Perhaps my use of "type of immigrant" may not have been the most effective in communicating my point of view? I think you get the jist of it though.  It is not the responsibility of Canadian Society to solve the problems of people immigrating to this country. This is my postion.
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12:57 AM on 07/19/2012
This has to be the dumbest article I have seen Peter write.If what he says is true I want all the white people like the BC gangsters the Bacon brothers sent home their country of origin.
The real reason that these incidents happen is not because these men are Jamaican born. It is because of drugs and money.
11:25 AM on 07/19/2012
To deny that some cultures have differing values on life and propensities for violence is not only detracting from finding resolution but contributing to the problem. The article is merely pointing out a fact. Recently in major cities in Canada, immigrant violence and murder is significantly higher than averages of the norm. These are facts and should be addressed. Obviously there is the drug problem, also very obvious is the exacerbation of immigrants participating in "the trade" whilst employing their own values relulting in even more murder and crime. I think it goes without saying, immigrants in general bring benefits to this country, some though, not so much.