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CHANGE MY MIND: Is Hockey More Important to the Canadian Identity Than the Arts?

Posted: 05/17/2012 4:35 pm

With the Stanley Cup playoffs in full heat, Justin Bieber dominating the music charts all over the world and Canadian paintings being auctioned for more than most people's houses, here's a question we're tossing about the Huffpost newsroom: Which is more essential to our Canadian identity? Is it the black puck being whacked about the ice? Or is it the quill of Mordecai Richler and the paint-dipped brush of Jean-Paul Lemieux? When the world speaks of Canada and its identity, do they think about the arts first? Or the sport we claimed the gold for in the 2010 Olympics?

Doug Knight, president of the Governor General's Performing Arts Awards Foundation, and Ryan Doyle, host of the popular daily radio show Friendly Fire on Newstalk 1010, go head to head on this decidedly Canadian topic. You decide who wins.

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You clap for what you like, you cheer for what you love.

As a Canadian, I politely clapped when Christopher Plummer won an Oscar this past year. I also felt a small amount of patriotic pride when Drake and Justin Bieber hit number one on the Billboard charts.

But if the merit of Canadian art is measured through success in the American markets, that is a sad testament.

And here at home, by the numbers, the public's appetite for more traditional forms of art, the so-called "National Pastime," is waning.

Canada's largest museum, the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto, had to drastically cut admission prices last year as attendance dipped below average.

The Art Gallery of Ontario had just under 602,000 visitors in the past fiscal year, also dipping in popularity. Not to mention the National Gallery of Canada, which received a parliamentary appropriation of more than $45 million last year, recorded 346,890 visitors for the past fiscal year. While representing an increase in attendance, the NGC was anticipating a bigger boost.

Not exactly a breakaway performance. Maybe would-be art fans had something else on their mind. Perhaps a case of playoff fever? It's a well-documented condition in this country.

While museums and art galleries were struggling to captivate the attention of everyday Canadians, CBC's Hockey Night in Canada broke its own NHL playoff viewership record during Game One of last year's Stanley Cup Final between the Vancouver Canucks and the Boston Bruins, with an average audience of 5.6 million and a peak of 7.8 million.

It was the highest-rated NHL broadcast ever on the CBC. The runner-up was way back in 1994.

And while this year's Stanley Cup Final won't feature any Canadian-based teams, there are plenty of Canucks on the ice that we can cheer for. The Phoenix Coyotes have 15 Canadian players in their lineup, the L.A. Kings have 13, and of course there is the story of Montreal-native Martin Brodeur; the Devils' goalie is in search of his fourth Stanley Cup at the age of 40, and has captivated even the casual spectator.

Brodeur is the perfect example as to why Canadians flock to hockey, and why hockey itself has taken its rightful place as Canada's national pastime.

Brodeur represents the unknown and, put quite simply, the Canadian heroics that we are generally too modest and humble to embrace.

Can a man at the ripe old age of 40 repeat something he first did 17 years ago?

In Dispatches from the Sporting Life, beloved Canadian author Mordecai Richler summed up exactly why the unknown element is so key to our love affair with the sport:

"Once that first puck is dropped, I'm married to my TV set. Come game time, if one of my daughters is foolish enough to protest that Hamlet, with Olivier, is playing on another channel, I will point out, justifiably, that I know how Hamlet comes out but not how the Montreal Canadiens will fare tonight against the fabled New Jersey Devils."

Our nation sat on tender hooks in 2010 as Team Canada was less than a minute away from celebrating the gold medal. Zach Parise -- the son of a player who figured in Canada's finest hockey moment -- tied the game for the United States.

You could feel the tension from coast to coast. The unpredictably of what was about to happen united all of us.

When Sidney Crosby scored the game-winning goal at 7:40 into overtime, to lead Canada to the 3-2 win, the nation roared.

Not exactly the same kind of collective reaction that you would get at the National Ballet.

True, Canadian hockey teams are not the best, but we celebrate the smallest victories, and agonize over each and every defeat. It's masochist, it's remarkable, and it springs from something firmly entrenched in our psyche and culture. All you have to do is bear witness to playoff countdown in Toronto to see the visceral passion they have for their teams. The fact that they never win cups, and Torontonians still come back for more Leaf Nation is proof positive. Canadians certainly don't vocally lament the Emmy defeat of a fellow countryman, or continue to show up to bad Canadian movies or plays out of blind loyalty. Hockey just runs deeper.

Hockey is so inspirational, in fact, that sometimes the arts can't help but imitate it. Just last week The Hockey Sweater, the cherished children's book by Roch Carrier, was adapted for the symphony. There have also been several movies (Goon, Score! A Hockey Musical, Breakaway) created because that is who we are, what we care about. The arts can reflect what makes us unique as Canadians, but hockey actually defines it.  

Don't get me wrong, I still feel the arts community has a vital role in our country.

I like the ballet, the opera, and live theater.

I have Drake on my iPod (although Bieber is not my cup of tea).

The aforementioned Mordechai Richler should be required reading for every Canadian.

But to make the claim that the arts are more important to Canadian identity than hockey is to miss the puck, and the point.

The identity of so many in this country is formed early on. Over 500,000 kids wake up every weekend morning to head down to the local arena. Their parents sit bleary-eyed in the stands drinking their morning coffee. Those hopeful mornings, putting hockey moms on edge, hockey dads beaming with pride (the Tim Horton's commercial writes itself!), those are the opportunities that we get to really cheer, not clap. To put modesty and predictability aside, and just be proudly Canadian.

Doug Knight President, Governor General's Performing Arts Awards Foundation

What could be more Canadian than hockey?

There's not much competition from the beaver, the world's second largest rodent, burdened with an unfortunate Google problem.

Maple syrup is Canadian alright but hardly the stuff to cheer on Saturday night. Mounties in red serge are a stirring sight at the right moment, but pegging the Canadian identity to our national police force is a bit too peace, order and good government to fire the passions of a great land.

No, the balletic speed and bone crushing brutality of our national winter sport scores every time. If you add up every kid and adult who actually straps on skates and picks up a stick sometime during the year (8% of all Canadians) or attends a pro hockey game (14%) or watches regular season games on TV (36%) or the Stanley Cup playoffs (46%), you will come to more than half the country (54%) whose DNA is imprinted with the opening strains of the original Hockey Night in Canada theme, who wear their jerseys with pride, who remember winter nights watching the game with dad, whose hearts swell when Canada brings home the gold. They are why Rogers and Bell will line up to take Hockey Night in Canada away from the CBC.

So what is there to debate? Well, perhaps the debate should have said, the arts are more important to Canadian identity than even hockey. Our artists are our storytellers; our writers, actors, musicians, directors, dancers, filmmakers, even our broadcasters. It is through our artists that our stories are told and retold, our passions laid bare.

Is there a kid in Quebec with a hockey stick who has not agonized over Roch Carrier's The Sweater, his memoir of a boyhood spent on frozen ponds? Ten kids all wearing the red uniform of the Montreal Canadiens with number nine on the back; through a mail-order goof his sweater arrives and it's...arrggghh...a Maple Leafs blue jersey.

There are more hockey songs than we can count; the Tragically Hip's "Fifty Mission Cap," Stompin Tom's "The Hockey Song," the Shuffle Demons' "Hockey Night in Canada," and even Jane Siberry's "Hockey." The connection between hockey and Canadian musicians is so strong that every year at the Juno's Canadian rockers go up against former NHL greats for the annual Juno Cup -- Jim Cuddy meet Brad Marsh.

And of course our hockey story would not have the power it does without our broadcasters.

The point is our passion for hockey is reflected in our stories and our stories are our Canadian identity.

But there's more. Our artists tell all of our stories, not just hockey: your sex life, your first kiss, your first divorce, your tragedies and triumphs, what makes us laugh and cry or just stop dead in our tracks with some blinding insight. Collectively our stories define who we are and what being Canadian is about in all its diversity.

As a result the arts touch everyone. The arts reach more people in Canada than even hockey. More people attend live theatre (22%) than attend professional hockey games (14%). Canadians spend more than twice as much each year attending a live performance than they spend attending all sporting events put together. If you listen to music, read a book, or watch a film, you are part of Arts Nation. Virtually every Canadian is reached by our artists.

And there's more. The best known Canadians around the world are our artists, our musicians, actors, writers, dancers, filmmakers. Most people around the world do not know our hockey players or even our hockey teams; they do not know our politicians or even our political parties.

We began the year with Canadian artists claiming four of the top five bestselling albums on the Billboard charts; the first Oscar of the year went to Christopher Plummer in a broadcast that featured Cirque du Soliel.

Our writers are known around the world from Yann Martel and Michael Ondaatje to Alice Munro and Margaret Atwood. Canadian actors seem to be everywhere in film and television from Rachel McAdams and Sandra Oh to Keifer Sutherland and his father Donald Sutherland. Canadians make the world laugh, and not just because we can't win a Stanley Cup. Lorne Michaels runs Saturday Night Live. We have seen an explosion of great comedic talent with the likes of Dan Ackroyd, Jim Carrey, Rick Moranis, Mike Myers and Rick Mercer. And in music, we rock the world, from Justin Bieber and Drake to Leonard Cohen and Neil Young.

It has been said that Canadian artists are our greatest export. It is certainly true that Canadian artists symbolize Canada to much of the world. To many, Canadian artists are the Canadian identity.

So, yes hockey is our passion, but it is our storytellers, our artists who forge our identity from our passion; all of our passions.

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Aude Sapere
11:56 PM on 05/20/2012
This question makes me mad. Are apples more important than oranges?
Look, they're both impotant for different reasons. Hockey is the embodiment of Canadian tradition and shared experience. Canadian art is cultural R & D that can interpret and expand upon those traditions and shared experiences. To place them in opposition is barbarism.
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03:27 PM on 05/20/2012
I hope not. But then Don Cherry was in the top ten of CBC's "Greatest Canadian" poll.

It is hard to be optimistic when "our" government slashes the Arts, diminishes our ability to express ourselves and holds us hostage through the false majority of a failed political system.

Taking a page from the Harper "majority", I will say no, hockey is not more important than the Arts - even if the majority disagree.
01:10 AM on 05/21/2012
I made a post below in favor of hockey, but this prompted me google search that list. It does kind of bother me that Don Cherry is higher on that list than Neil Young.
10:59 PM on 05/23/2012
One could argue that Don Cherry is an artist. He is far better know for his Coaches Corner work than his hockey play or his hockey coaching. The Don Cherry that we see on TV is sort of an act. I'm sure he would not like to be called an artist but he really is. Much of the Don Cherry that we see on TV is an act.
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06:31 AM on 05/24/2012
I used to believe that too. But now feel much of what you see is not acting.

Check out any link to Cherry's inaugural speech for Rob Ford. That was not acting.
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11:16 PM on 05/19/2012
both are a waste of time and money but at least after viewing "art" people don't go out and destroy their city like in hockey (win or lose)
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05:47 PM on 05/18/2012
There are millions of artists, writers, musicians, singers, and actors in Canada. All of their work if very enjoyable and rich, and is in fact a testament to the superb education we give ourselves in this country.

Both our ability to dream up and enjoy the arts is invaluable beyond belief. But Justin Bieber will be replaced some time down the road.

But there is only one Great One. Only one game winning goal in 1972. Only one Rocket.

Hockey is in our blood. Without it we might as well be from Wisconsin, Seattle, or Ireland.

It is Hockey that most identifies us as Canadian. It cannot be replaced. Our national heroes play Hockey. They are sportsmen not soldiers. and we all understand and embrace this. We are Canadians.
05:27 PM on 05/18/2012
You can't compare hockey and arts on the same level. One is a specific activity while the other is too general of a term. What do you mean by arts? Are we talking about music, are we talking about theatre, performing arts, literature, paintings?? And even if we do break it down, the answer depends on who you ask. And rather than trying to quantify the response, why don't we celebrate this diversity of interests? It's like deciding whether or not we should teach phys ed or drama in school. They're both just as important! I personally would choose a hockey game over a concert, but I also love going to the theatre and support that as well.
01:26 PM on 05/18/2012
The simplest way to determine which is more important is to ask which one would you could still be Canadian without. If all of the ice melted, and the sticks and nets were tossed on the bonfire, could we still be Canadians? If all of our arts were lost, could we still be Canadian? Those are the two questions that matter most, and I believe I can truthfully answer the first in the affirmative, but I am leaning towards the answer to the second being negative.
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12:12 PM on 05/18/2012
There are a million writers, musicians, singers, and painters in Canada, and millions more around the world that all tell stories about what it means to be human, or live in one community or another.

The richness of our art and artists is a testament to the high quality education we have instilled in generations of Canadians, and it is valuable beyond belief.

But there is only one Great One. Only one 1972 goal. Only one Rocket.

Hockey is in our blood. Without that we might just as well be from Wisconsin or Seattle, or Ireland. Hockey is one of the few things that truly defines us as us (yes, even if Europeans play too).

Our national heroes play Hockey. They are sportsmen, not soldiers. We all know it and we embrace it. We are Canadians.
10:11 AM on 05/24/2012
There is only one Michael Jackson, Monet, Farley Mowat. Only once was "If I had a million dollars" written. Emily Carr painted her paintings once.

It is through the arts that we express who we are as a human beings.

Playing (and watching) a sport is like eating candy. It feels good at the time but once the game is over you come down from the high very quickly.

Experiencing arts can transform you as a person.

The 2002 Sault Lake City Gold medal although it was fantastic did not change me as a person. Winning (and loosing) the little league playoffs did not transform the way I act towards others and interact in society.
Plays I have seen, music I have listened to, art I have looked at, and books I have read have made me a better person. They have had an effects that last a lifetime.
08:45 AM on 05/18/2012
Hockey is performance art. You like it or you don't.
04:29 AM on 05/18/2012
Hockey makes Canadians a rather boring though 'nice' people. Unfortunately most Canadians are not educated to appreciate the arts, especially their own. North American schools do not educate students in the arts as for example the way Europeans do. It has been said that professional sport is the 'opiate of the people' meaning that it is used by the 'ruling classes to further subjugate and control the ignorant masses. 'nuff said!
06:23 PM on 05/18/2012
The sophisticated Europeans with their Crusades, Religious Wars, Witch Burnings, Inquisitions, Balkan Wars, First World War, Second World War, Holocausts, Balkans again and Soccer Hooligans. You do know that Marx and Lenin were European and that they were referring to people like you right? Nice troll.
04:44 AM on 05/19/2012
At least something happened rather than boring and badly educated :-P
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03:10 AM on 05/18/2012
Hockey IS more important to the Canadian identity than "the arts". Most Canadians could not produce a common definition of what "the arts" consists of, whereas most Canadians ARE familiar with at least the rudiments of hockey. As well, a majority of Canadian households are tuned into hockey at least once a week. Hockey is a unifier in Canadian society, in the same way that soccer is a unifier in some other countries. Our neighbours to the south lack such a unifier, and I think they are the poorer for it.
11:09 PM on 05/23/2012
Not only can we define the arts but it is through the arts that we define who we are. What description of love is better, the scientific one or the artistic one?
I would bet that more Canadian households listen to music, watch TV drama, and comedy, read books, and look at beautiful paintings than tune into hockey.
Hockey is a divider in Canadian society. People in Toronto hate Ottawa and Montréal because they have better hockey teams (I know London has a better hockey team than Toronto too).
Our neighbours to the south have Football every given Sunday.
01:58 AM on 05/18/2012
I'd say that the majority of people who read the Huffpost are more of the art persuasion than big sports fanatics are. Its obvious by the majority that disagreed with the question to begin with. I am rather fond of both, even more so towards the arts. However, if you look at it from an international perspective, Canada is definitely more synonymous with Hockey.
Im not even a really huge hockey fan, but I was in that crowd on Granville street (Vancouver) when we won the Gold Medal at the Olympics, and I have never seen such a joyful ruckus and display of national pride in my entire life. When has anyone ever seen an event such as that over an art? Yeah, 12 year old girls may scream fanatically when they are at a Bieber concert, and spend millions as a collective on itunes downloads, but they probably aren't thinking, "gosh, this is so canadian, I have so much pride to be Canadian right now, during it." Hockey is the staple. Hands down.
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Thalin Lea
08:42 PM on 05/17/2012
I can't stand hockey . next !
07:20 PM on 05/17/2012
When I visited Holland in 1982 they wanted to know the address of the Hudson's Bay Company and if they could buy a red plaid (I guess quintessentially) real 'Canadian" shirt.
06:07 PM on 05/17/2012
Did someone leave out commonsense?
05:38 PM on 05/17/2012
That's a personal question. Arts (especially music) is far and away more important to me, but I bet hockey takes it for most people. Hockey is immensely popular, after all.