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Vancouver Real Estate: Pillar of Sand and Fog

Posted: 09/12/2012 8:00 pm

Does it strike anyone as odd that Vancouver is the kind of town where we turn to someone called the Condo King for reliable advice on real estate? Apparently not.

It goes without saying that Bob Rennie knows Vancouver residential real estate better than anyone, and he is always a terrific interview. Most of us understand at some level that he's not exactly impartial, but few seem to grasp just exactly how his opinions might be coloured.

Rennie markets condominiums on a large scale for developers including, by the way, the City of Vancouver, for whom he is marketing the Olympic Village. In this role he has a clear professional duty not to harm his clients' interests. Publicly expressing doubts about the viability or sustainability of Vancouver's real estate market would be a fairly serious breach of that obligation.

Still, his opinions make for interesting reading.

Take his August interview with the Huffington Post B.C. as an example. For starters, Rennie suggests that if we "fence off" the west side and Richmond areas that have "nothing to do with the local market" and disregard the top 20 per cent of the condo market, the Metro Vancouver picture starts to look a lot more affordable.

According to Rennie, the reason our market is stable is that aging baby boomers sit atop a mountain of equity which has increased in value by some $22 billion in six years. These house-rich boomers will start to sell their existing properties, move into condos and help their kids buy homes.

"That's going to be a lot of money moving around the region," Rennie said, "and that shows me a lot of buyer support."

Did you notice what just happened there? Suddenly the top end of the market, which supposedly has "nothing to do with the local market" is now a pillar supporting the rest of the real estate value chain.

If the music stops at the top end (and right now you can hear a pin drop over here on the west side), the dance is over. That $22 billion is a pillar of sand and fog. It's uncertain for exactly the reasons Rennie gives: the capital that created value at the top end is fluid and has "nothing to do with the local market."

If other places begin to generate better returns (and they have), external demand will stop and the capital will move. When that happens that $22 billion-pillar supporting the rest of our market will evaporate.

Yale economist Robert Shiller, founder of the Case-Shiller Index, has some thoughts on this, as was noted in Tuesday's Huffington Post B.C. He told BNN last week that one real estate market he would definitely avoid is Vancouver.

Citing Vancouver's profile as virtually identical with that of pre-crash San Francisco, Shiller said:

"San Francisco is a bubble city that's talked about as one of the major boom and bust cities in the U.S. ...They're no different in Vancouver, in fact it's worse in Vancouver."

To get some idea just how extreme the Vancouver housing market really is, consider the following:

Metro Vancouver median incomes have fallen in the last two consecutive years, and now rank in the bottom quartile in the country (23rd out of 28 cities). We're drawing incomes below Windsor, Saskatoon and Sudbury, yet our housing prices are the highest in the country, and more than double the national average.

As economist Ben Rabidoux noticed last month, "(t)here are currently over 5,000 homes in Vancouver metro area for sale for over $1 million according to MLS.ca. In comparison, the NAR reports that in April, just over 7,000 homes sold in the entire US were sold for over $1 million."

To put it another way, despite our significantly lower disposable income, the Metro Vancouver region has roughly 42 times as many million-dollar mansions per capita than the entire U.S.A, including New York, the Hamptons, and Beverly Hills.

Do we really need to know anything more than that?

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  • West Vancouver - $10,000,000

    4344 Rockridge Dr.

  • West Vancouver - $10,000,000

    4344 Rockridge Rd.

  • West Vancouver - $10,000,000

    4344 Rockridge Rd.

  • West Vancouver - $10,000,000

    4344 Rockridge Rd.

  • Gibsons - $10,180,000

    1393 Port Mellon Hwy.

  • Gibsons - $10,180,000

    1393 Port Mellon Hwy.

  • Gibsons - $10,180,000

    1393 Port Mellon Hwy.

  • Gibsons - $10,180,000

    1393 Port Mellon Hwy.

  • Vancouver - $10,880,000

    6938 Adera St.

  • Vancouver - $10,880,000

    6938 Adera St.

  • Vancouver - $10,880,000

    6938 Adera St.

  • Vancouver - $10,880,000

    6938 Adera St.

  • Victoria - $10,900,000

    3480 Ripon Rd.

  • Victoria - $10,900,000

    3480 Ripon Rd.

  • Victoria - $10,900,000

    3480 Ripon Rd.

  • Victoria - $10,900,000

    3480 Ripon Rd.

  • West Vancouver - $10,998,000

    5770 Eagle Harbour Rd.

  • West Vancouver - $10,998,000

    5770 Eagle Harbour Rd.

  • West Vancouver - $10,998,000

    5770 Eagle Harbour Rd.

  • West Vancouver - $10,998,000

    5770 Eagle Harbour Rd.

  • Whistler - $11,499,000

    2290 Nordic Dr.

  • Whistler - $11,499,000

    2290 Nordic Dr.

  • Whistler - $11,499,000

    2290 Nordic Dr.

  • Whistler - $11,499,000

    2290 Nordic Dr.

  • Vancouver - $11,880,000

    3416 Cedar Cres.

  • Vancouver - $11,800,000

    3416 Cedar Cres.

  • Vancouver - $11,800,000

    3416 Cedar Cres.

  • Vancouver - $11,800,000

    3416 Cedar Cres.

  • North Saanich - $12,900,000

    9750 West Saanich Rd.

  • North Saanich - $12,900,000

    5790 West Saanich Rd.

  • North Saanich - $12,900,000

    9750 West Saanich Rd.

  • North Saanich - $12,900,000

    9750 West Saanich Rd.

  • Whistler - $12,900,000

    7473-7469 Treetop Lane

  • Whistler - $12,900,000

    7473-7476 Treetop Lane

  • Whistler - $12,900,000

    7473-7476 Treetop Lane

  • Whistler - $12,900,000

    7473-7476 Treetop Lane

  • Vancouver - $13,800,000

    1438 Balfour Ave.

  • Vancouver - $13,800,000

    1438 Balfour Ave.

  • Vancouver - $13,800,000

    1438 Balfour Ave.

  • Vancouver - $13,800,000

    1438 Balfour Ave.

  • West Vancouver Waterfront - $10,800,000

    17 Strachan Point Road

  • West Vancouver Waterfront - $10,800,000

    17 Strachan Point Road

  • West Vancouver Waterfront - $10,800,000

    17 Strachan Point Road

  • West Vancouver Waterfront - $10,800,000

    17 Strachan Point Road

  • West Vancouver Waterfront - $10,800,000

    17 Strachan Point Road

  • West Vancouver Waterfront - $10,800,000

    17 Strachan Point Road

  • West Vancouver Waterfront - $10,800,000

    17 Strachan Point Road

  • West Vancouver Waterfront - $10,800,000

    17 Strachan Point Road

  • West Vancouver Waterfront - $10,800,000

    17 Strachan Point Road


 

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03:37 PM on 10/06/2012
Million dollar mansions? For a million you get a condo or a dump on the West Side in Vancouver.Comparable to San Francisco.
05:59 AM on 09/16/2012
Also need to consider less buyers from China in the next 2-3 years
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03:35 PM on 10/06/2012
That is nnot hapening yet.
09:41 PM on 09/14/2012
Thank-you Sandy for an excellent article. Check your last 2 paragraphs though. In Vancouver there were 5,000 million dollar homes for sale. In the US, 7,000 million dollar homes sold. I am quite certain there were far more million dollar properties in the US for sale than were sold.
12:56 PM on 09/15/2012
Very true, Markoz--I'm fairly certain (or certainly hope) everyone can see this is not an actual equivalence but an interesting stat--sort of along the lines of a Harper's Index line.

I included it because at the height of our market the volumes were off the chart and almost every property sold at or above its listing price. But your main point is right that these are apples and oranges you wouldn't normally compare. For analysis, look at Shiller's views.
02:02 PM on 09/13/2012
This and a recent story in Vancouver magazine (http://www.vanmag.com/News_and_Features/Gone) paint an infuriating portrait of the disconnect between what Vancouver can offer average citizens and what it expects—monetarily—in return. Almost two years ago, I left Vancouver after 11 years and returned to my former home of Toronto, not because I didn't enjoy living in Vancouver, but because there were no jobs that allowed my career to move forward, and because despite making a more than decent living, I couldn't afford a rental property I felt was worth the money being asked. While Toronto is only marginally cheaper, career opportunities abound here. That said, I love Vancouver and I'd move back tomorrow if I could, but the city seems to be going out of its way to drive talent out. Even Monocle magazine has singled out the lack of affordable housing as Vancouver's foremost failing. I hope the trend corrects itself before too long. The city has too much potential and is much too beautiful to be nothing more than a picturesque playground for the rich.
01:57 PM on 09/13/2012
vote for Sandy
07:06 PM on 09/13/2012
she's got my vote!
and wtf, how is Rennie allowed to fudge the numbers/stats to make prices look "reasonable" ?
01:36 PM on 09/13/2012
I've been intensely watching the Vancouver market from the sidelines for the past 10 years. Unfortunately I didn't time my birth correctly, and by the time I had a reasonable down payment saved, the cost of a home exceeded what I could manage. That was in 2004...

Vancouverites talk about this city as if there's something different here, which justifies our high real estate prices. I can tell you with some authority that the ONLY thing that's different here, is people's unshakeable belief that the high cost of real estate is justified. As Robert Shiller has pointed out, it's a self fulfilling prophecy - a house of cards, a pile of sand, etc..

I just love it when the banks and the real estate agents say that prices may ease by 5% in the next two years. What a joke. There's enough inventory in the market right now to support a 20% correction in the next twelve months. After that correction's finished, what's to stop another 20% correction the following year? Once a few people are underwater on their mortgages, it's going to head downhill quickly, and this time the federal government will not be waiting at the sidelines to hand out capital at low low rates.
01:02 PM on 09/15/2012
It's very troubling to think of the young people who entered the market recently out of fear of losing their only hope of owning. They could be very seriously hurt.
09:52 PM on 09/12/2012
Thanks Sandy... It should be obvious to anyone with half a brain how non-sensical Bob Rennie pronunciations are... If he can knock out the top 20% of all real estate, why doesn't he knock out the top 20% of all income earners when discussing affordability?
01:11 PM on 09/13/2012
Or knock out the bottom 20% ;-). As many industry observers and economists are quick to point out, using averages can paint a deceptive picture of market reality. Which is one thing that makes Ben Rabidoux's stat so interesting.