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After Aurora, We Should Bring back the Long Gun Registry

Posted: 08/03/2012 11:30 am

On July 20, 2012, tragedy struck Aurora, Colorado leaving an entire nation overwhelmed with fear and sadness. During a midnight screening of the film The Dark Knight Rises a lone gunman equipped with multiple firearms entered a crowded theatre and opened fire, claiming the lives of 12 people and injuring 58 others.

The gunman who mercilessly opened fire in a crowded theatre in Colorado was operating a Smith & Wesson AR-15 rifle, a 12-gauge Remington 870 shotgun and a .40-calibre Glock handgun, all of which he purchased legally in the United States.

In Canada, we pride ourselves on being a peaceful and non-violent nation. For decades, Canadians have recognized the importance of remaining vigilant about gun control. This was reflected in the adoption of a federal gun registry which not only ensured that all individuals who wished to own and operate firearms went through strict and thorough licensing process but also saw to it that all guns, long and short were registered in a database.

Established in 1995, in the wake of the 1989 École Polytechnique Massacre, the long gun registry was a valuable public safety tool which was utilized roughly 16,000 times each and every single day. However, earlier this year, with the passage of Bill C-19: An Act to Eliminate the Long Gun Registry, the Remington shotgun that was used in Aurora, is now considered to be an unrestricted firearm meaning that it would no longer have to be registered.

The passage of Bill C-19 not only resulted in the loss of an important public safety tool, it also represented a step toward adopting more lenient gun control laws in Canada. Having played an active role in establishing the long gun registry and having dedicated a great deal of time to defending its value, I was particularly dismayed when it was dismantled.

Tragedies like the one that shook Aurora are a reminder of the importance of remaining vigilant about gun control. Handguns and long guns, both of which were used during this massacre, are equally dangerous and we as a society have a responsibility to do everything in our control to ensure that they stay off our streets.

My heart goes out to the families of the victims who lost their lives in Aurora, Colorado and my thoughts and prayers are with them during this difficult time. As parents grieve the loss of their children, a husbands and wives grieve the loss of their spouses let us work together to help ensure that our streets remain safe and that gun violence does not plague our communities.

 

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On July 20, 2012, tragedy struck Aurora, Colorado leaving an entire nation overwhelmed with fear and sadness. During a midnight screening of the film The Dark Knight Rises a lone gunman equipped with ...
On July 20, 2012, tragedy struck Aurora, Colorado leaving an entire nation overwhelmed with fear and sadness. During a midnight screening of the film The Dark Knight Rises a lone gunman equipped with ...
 
 
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05:10 PM on 08/25/2012
No. No registry. Own a gun and grow up.
03:17 PM on 08/11/2012
...How would the long gun registry have helped here?

So this guy walks into a theatre and lights it up with registered firearms. Do less people die?
I'm pretty sure they got him. I'm pretty sure they didn't need a gun registry to catch him.

Maybe not killing other people should be enforced more than how people are killed.
06:12 PM on 08/10/2012
"The fact that law enforcement...supported the registry was good enough for me."

Law Enforcement was vehemently opposed to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms--good enough for you, then?

Actually, the RCMP considered gun registration a costly joke:

http://www.lowe.ca/Rick/FirearmsLegislation/AGangThatCouldn%27tShootStraight.html

"The RCMP had stopped accepting FAC records, and had actually destroyed those it already had. The FAC registry system didn't exist because the police thought it was useless and refused to waste their limited budgets maintaining it. They also moved to ensure that their political masters could not resurrect it."

And compliance with the long gun registry was very poor, with an estimated HALF of legally-acquired (under the old FAC system) guns never registered. Sorry, Mobina, but nobody in their right mind will throw another two billion at this failed social engineering experiment again.
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Karen Pottruff
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08:31 AM on 08/09/2012
Can a bill be reintroduced in government to bring back the Gun Law Registry?
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Maria Korovessis Sewell
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09:07 PM on 08/07/2012
The fact that law enforcement and emergency room workers supported the registry was good enough for me. Being registered and licensed does not criminalize gun ownership any more than it criminalizes driving a vehicle.
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AuntiFascist
Orwell predicted Harper
06:19 PM on 08/07/2012
Yes we should. Those who are against it are against it for the wrong reasons. A small administrative burden on legal gun owners is not a big price to pay.

Why is it gone?" Well, it's due to 1). politicians pandering to the Canadian gun lobby and 2). Harper wanting Canada to be like the USA and we can't be like them without gun violence.
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colpy
11:31 PM on 08/14/2012
"Pandering to the gun lobby" really means "fulfilling an election promise".

The USA has little gun control.........most states have only a residence requirement to purchase a handgun, and allow the citizen to carry it with a minimum of training. Canada still has strict licensing, and very strict conditions on handgun ownership, with no urban carry and very very little woods carry. The claim that Harper wants Canada's gun laws to be like the USA is absolutely ludicrous.

The registry can not work without the cooperation of gun owners, and we did not, nor will we ever cooperate.
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AuntiFascist
Orwell predicted Harper
09:58 AM on 08/15/2012
It's disturbing to me that a group of citizens would very openly say what you just said,

"The registry can not work without the cooperation of gun owners, and we did not, nor will we ever cooperate."

Why gun owners did not and will not cooperate with a registry in order to own weapons in secret is off to me, and to the Police.

Do you support other groups who have an opposition to the Government taking the same stance?  Right to grow marijuana for example?  You guys are lucky I'm not making the decisions in Canada.  VERY lucky.

If individuals and groups decide which laws they'll obey and which ones they'll ignore then we have trouble ahead.
07:38 PM on 08/06/2012
Yes, let's spend another two billion dollars on a registry.
How much better law enforcement could that money buy, or better health care?

As for the 16,000 daily hits by police on the registry, this is a bit misleading. These are not intentional queries where there are cops thinking "hmm, I had better access the registry to see if this person is on the list." Those 16,000 hits were automatically generated whenever any query was entered. 99.9999% of those hits were irrelevant to the information the police were after, but it makes for a big fat number to use in an illogical argument in favor of a colossal misspending of public funds.
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Spanky McFarlane
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04:57 PM on 08/07/2012
1.) How dare you talk about what is 'misleading' having quoted a $2 billion dollar cost to the LGR when infact the LGR comprises a tiny segment of that cost & the hogs share goes to licencing & training & safety?
The cost of entering a GD 'serial number' into an online data base is minimal in comparison & the Harper Government will NOT incurr any great saving from this program until they eliminate the other pillars of the program.
The fact is however , that by removing the ability to trace or track ownership of these weapons they have rendered the entire program as useless.

Now any person can sell, barter or trade their firearm to anyone not qualified or of age to receive it with little chance of being caught. I can't even do that with my car & it can't kill someone from a kilometer away!
03:11 PM on 08/11/2012
Not sure why you numbered your first point, did you run out of useful things to say after your one and only argument?
Long gun registry won't stop gun crimes. Knowing who has guns won't stop gun crimes. Thinking that a master list of gun owners will magically stop gun crime is possibly one of the most short sighted, moot opinions you can have.

We already have a law that prevents gun crimes. In plain English, it reads, "Don't kill people". The charge is murder.

Do you really think people willing to break one of the oldest laws in society really care if they are caught with an illegal LONG GUN? Personally, I am terrified somebody will casually walk up to me, reveal their meter long hunting rifle and attempt to shoot me to take my wallet. Unfortunately, sarcasm doesn't read well.

Anybody could sell a rifle to somebody without the proper qualifications before the registry was scrapped. This hasn't changed. An individual can't legitimately buy a rifle without an FAC anyway. Having a registry doesn't stop people from illegally acquiring firearms. It's just as illegal to buy a firearm without a license as it is to have an unregistered firearm.

How dare you express your opinion.
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colpy
11:35 PM on 08/14/2012
Unfortunately, you don't know what you are talking about.

Many older guns have NO serial number.

A great many models have repeat serial numbers.

The computer systems used for the registry cost hundreds of millions, and were very, very poor.

The system only held something aover half of the guns in Canada.

Gun owners did not cooperate, nor will they, and an effective registry is impossible without them on board......
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Deir Yassin Survivor
01:04 AM on 08/06/2012
Wow; no wonder she is a senator.
06:04 PM on 08/05/2012
Another option instead of the LGR, would be a registry for those that suffer from violent mental health issues. Either diagnosed or been hospitalized, willingly or not.

The rights of society can and should outweigh the rights of those that could pose a danger to society.

It might have not spared the victims of Aurora, but it might prevent somebody, somewhere to harm or kill others if the law has the teeth to treat or even hold violent mental health offenders.
10:41 PM on 08/05/2012
Dealing with the problem? Come on, we can't do that...

- Polytechnic shooting... the guy had some known mental issues... nothing was done about it.

- Dawson college shooting... the guy had some known mental issues, he tried to seek help... nothing was done about it...
08:55 AM on 08/06/2012
Exactly!  And why not??  Same with Breivik in Norway.  Same with serial killers that do not use guns generally. 

We must really look at how far individual rights extend when they become a danger to society. 
07:49 PM on 08/06/2012
Many legal systems operate on the theory that they prefer to have several guilty go free, than have one innocent imprisoned.
Mental health care is very expensive because, unlike physical health care, the sick that may commit mayhem are usually uncooperative. The law oftentimes does have the teeth to detain the unbalanced, but they are released from facilities due to lack of funding. The $2 billion wasted on the registry may have been better spent on treatment and rehabilitation.
10:02 PM on 08/06/2012
Agreed.  The money could have been better spent elsewhere. 
05:57 PM on 08/05/2012
Unfortunately for the families, the registry would not have solved a thing here and would have prevented nothing.

Criminals do NOT use legal guns. They do NOT register themselves with the government.
10:56 AM on 08/06/2012
Using this logic, let's not register cars either. Let's make it impossible for police to know who's car or gun is legally owned so they can't take them out of the hands of criminals. The mafia, Hell's Angels, Crips and Bloods are loving this law and order agenda!
04:26 PM on 08/07/2012
Bah. You know that is not a correct argument. 

All I am saying is that we must not measure these crimes and the reactions to it by one angle.  There is more to this story than the 2nd amendment, the NRA and guns.  People who are ill or dangerous will find a way to harm others.  Controlling or banning guns will not eradicate crime.  It is the crime and the reasons behind the trigger, the knife, the bomb, the act of arson, what have you, that we must debate and dialogue about. 
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colpy
11:37 PM on 08/14/2012
You don't have to register your car unless you are going to drive it on the public roads.

A compromise:

I will happily register every firearm I intend to fire on public roads.

Happy?????
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geminivoyager
12:17 PM on 08/05/2012
knee jerk.
10:43 PM on 08/05/2012
16,000 queries a day... 365 days a year... for well over a decade... and no crime solved (never mind prevented)... That should be reason enough to dismiss that useless programs.

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If we want to reduce criminality (and violence) in our cities, we would be much better off investing in programs that help sick and disturbed individuals!
(Something a registration certificate cannot do)
05:00 PM on 08/06/2012
That's quite an assumption. It's mindless reactions like yours, based on, "well, I never used it to solve a crime so I guess no one else did", that are currently ripping this country apart.
09:20 AM on 08/05/2012
"This was reflected in the adoption of a federal gun registry which not only ensured that all individuals who wished to own and operate firearms went through strict and thorough licensing process..."
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Jaffer is pulling the Coalition for Gun Control sleight of hand that deliberately conflates the defunct registry with the licensing approval process which is remains in full force.

Firearms registration has no use other than mass confiscation. When the best that people like Jaffer can do is to attempt to confuse the reader, you can bet they haven't a leg to stand on.

Currently, 2.6 million licensed firearms owners are checked continuously, even after training, background checks, written spousal and peer approval, etc. That should be enough for people who have never and likely will never commit a violent crime.

Firearms owners are already RCMP-approved good people. It's bad enough that licensing - a regulatory function - is in Criminal Code.
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colpy
07:58 AM on 08/05/2012
Okay, let's get a few things straight:

1. Having a piece of paper assigned to it does not prevent a firearm from being misused.

2. Mass shooters are typically without criminal record or anything else that would prevent them getting a firearms license. Both Mark Lepine and Kilmeer Gill had firearms licenses.

3. A vast number of otherwise good citizens completely ignored the long gun registry altogether.
As well, most shooters simply did NOT register all their firearms. Without at least 90% compliance the registry was useless....it might have gotten 70% compliance, which left millions of guns outside the system. Without compliance, all the LGR did was breed alienation and disrespect for the law.

4. Any re-introduction of the LGR will breed even more discontent, even more non-compliance........and will cost at least a billion dollars.

Is it even possible to propose anything that makes less sense??? I doubt it.
03:36 AM on 08/05/2012
The LGR did not prevent crazy people from loading up their registered and licensed gun and going out to commit murder so how would it help at all? Senator is just mad something she worked on was proven to be useless.
10:45 PM on 08/05/2012
Which reminds me... now that the long gun registry has gone the way of the Do-Do... maybe it's time we start working on dismantling the senate...

I'm sure we could save another few million dollars.
05:05 PM on 08/06/2012
The LGR was used to inform police officers if they were walking into a situation where guns were available to the people involved. E.g. Domestic disputes, home invasions, and so on. It kept our police informed and safe. I suppose that oesn't count for much.
08:44 PM on 08/06/2012
Maybe useless was not the correct term, but in the context of the senators article I think it was. The LGR did nothing to prevent crime and would have done nothing to prevent shootings like in Aurora. But regarding police shouldn't they always act as if there is possibly a gun onsite when investigating crimes? It could lead to a false sense of security by checking the LGR and thinking there is no gun onsite when in fact there could still easily be one.
05:17 PM on 08/07/2012
Fallacy that any police officer would need the LGR to see if there were guns in the house. They assume there are in domestic disputes until proven otherwise.

Guess you didn't read the Auditor Generals report on the accuracy of the LGR. Numerous errors & omissions & no way to evaluate the effectiveness. The LGR doesn't even state where the guns are stored.

So if you were police, woluld you count on a list that is full of errors & omissions & bet your life on it?

Guess that counts for a lot.
07:59 PM on 08/04/2012
Another detached politician who has no clue how the real world works. The long gun registry was doing nothing but keeping some government employees in work, and it never prevented a single crime. When ever the anti-gun lobby is confronted with that little fact, they always folded like a house of cards and tried to change the subject. It's nothing short of pathetic that after all this time, and after all billions that were spent, and all the facts that have been revealed about how useless it was, there are still "allegedly" intelligent people who continue to say it should be brought back.