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Harper's Not the Only One Taking Cues From God

Posted: 10/12/2012 8:01 am

It's no great revelation to suggest the politics of the Conservative Party of Canada are steeped in religion, and that the Prime Minister and a number of his most prominent political allies are motivated by a religious ethos in their official capacities as national rule-makers. The Tories' mixing of politics and religion -- most recently manifested in the abortion motion vote in parliament, Vic Toews' cutting of funding for non-Christian prison chaplains and MP Rob Anders' opposition to transgendered people getting to choose which bathroom they are permitted to relieve their bowels in -- don't suggest religious vigour has overrun political debate in this country but reinforce the fact the two go hand in hand. Religion is politics, and politics religion.

It is entirely nonsensical to require that religious people abide by their belief exclusively in the privacy of their own homes, because religion is much more than a private manner. In the first place, religion manifests itself in communal prayers and gatherings at least as much as it does in individual action and contemplation, if not more so -- Christians, Jews, Muslims and Sikhs may differ on what day of the week they attend services, but all agree these gatherings are central to their traditions.

And that is not the extent of religion in public -- for so many church, mosque and synagogue-goers, belief and tradition determine where they live and gather, who they marry, even with whom they work. Requesting of these people that they mute religion when it comes to politics -- any public realm for that matter -- displays a failure to comprehend just how all-encompassing religious belief is, and the impossibility, if one is religious, of turning belief on and off depending on the context.

On the other side, really, what is politics if not religion? Groups of people, often large groups of people, organized by and devoted to specific worldviews. Immense rule books that define an action or ideological stance to take on every conceivable incident in human life. Party conventions where all gather to worship the leader and empower his disciples. How is that any different from religion?

As for the particular accusation that the Harper Conservatives have established religion as a basis from which to establish and alter policy, there's no denying it. But I highly suspect the Christian right isn't alone in aspiring to have the power to decide where trangendered people are allowed to pee and poop, and it is most certainly not the only religious sect hell-bent on controlling the abortion debate. (Toews's bizarre cutback, on the other hand, is purely a play to Christians since the sensible thing would have been to chop all chaplain jobs and let missionaries and zealots from every conceivable religious group take up the task of ministering to prisoners free of charge, which they obviously would be happy to do.)

Further, the mixing of religion and politics by politicians is hardly confined to the right in general -- the number of Liberals and NDPers who don't go to church or some other religious equivalent is dwarfed by the number who do. Even at the far-left end of the spectrum, where anti-religious, hippie atheists are most likely to find themselves, there's Elizabeth May, who one day aspires to be a minister.

Every major national party will attempt to woo ethnic voters with like-minded candidates and boondoggles designed to show sympathy for religion and traditions (for politicians, mixing religion and politics doesn't exclusively mean incorporating one's own particular religion when the right photo op with another religious group, preferably involving the wearing of traditional costumes, presents itself). If the conflating of religion and politics is a crime, everyone's guilty.

Unless it's not a bad thing to begin with because religion and politics have a lot in common. Whichever way you slice it at the core what we're talking about is believing in something, so whether one believes in god or in this or that political movement, basically it's the same thing. And that's why it's fairly common, not some great tragedy, that we believe in both at the same time.

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It's no great revelation to suggest the politics of the Conservative Party of Canada are steeped in religion, and that the Prime Minister and a number of his most prominent political allies are motiva...
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Turdinthepunchbowl
I float, therefore I am
04:35 PM on 11/19/2012
"Whichever way you slice it at the core what we're talking about is believing in something, so whether one believes in god or in this or that political movement, basically it's the same thing."

This is a ludicrous statement. Religion is the belief in some "thing," or "force" absent any verifiable, testable and reproducible evidence. To suggest subjective experience (I know there is a god because I feel in my heart there is a god) is equivalent to objective data (this object contains 2 moles of carbon 14) accrued through the scientific method and tested via empirical and verifiable means is delusional and dangerous. The statement that "this object contain 2 moles of carbon 14" is a measurable and verifiable statement; it involves no belief! It involves the empirical examination of a statement as consistent with objective evidence, not subjective experience. Whether I have belief that this is true is meaningless; if the object is subjected to empirical testing and determined to contain the said amount it is simply a statement that is congruent with the observable, verifiable and testable evidence; belief has nothing to do with it! To suggest that rational, reasoned and experimentally supported positions are the same as the subjective experience of a sky fairy (which we can reproduce in the brain using many stimuli) suggests to me you're ignorant of the difference between a faith-position (subjective) and a scientifically supported statement (objectively quantifiable, testable and verifiable through experiment...reality testing).
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Natural Dog
I'll need another pint
02:09 PM on 11/12/2012
Religion is the greatest blight upon our societies. It should be marginalized at every opportunity and given no quarter in the arena of rational thought.

Education is the only known cure.
10:28 PM on 10/23/2012
Just remember if they allow "their own religion" to mix with "our politics" then they must make the same allowances for all other religions. This being said, then it wouldn't be too long before Sharia law also comes into the picture, this much is sure. Religion must remain OUTSIDE of ALL POLITICS FOR EVER!!!
10:19 PM on 10/23/2012
Right to choose ,all the way, my 40 years of paying taxes says so!
09:54 PM on 10/15/2012
Mr. Goldstein betrays ignorance of ages-old political philosophy.
He classifies "religion" and "politics" mere, innocent, neutral "groups," and gives his A-OK to that arrangement to rule all people in our polity!
BY definition, "groups" differentiate people IN the group from people who are OUT of the group. Groups are therefore exclusive, not inclusive.
Thus, by Mr Goldstein's reckoning, Canadians who are not Christians (I am one) are not represented by Rev. Harper's clubby little theocracy! "The Harper Government" [notice how Harper has assumed this style of address, not the old "The Government of Canada."] is therefore not my government. I am an "outsider."
Now, that certainly is prejudicial, toward me and millions of other Canadians!
But that exclusion could work both ways: if The Harper Government is not MY government, than its rules are not mine. and I am free to live by my own rules. That's called Anarchy.
Mr Goldstein, what are you doing writing on Huff Po about politics? May I suggest you hit the books and study up on John Locke and the philosophy of Liberal Democracy.
Liberal Democracy is a time-tested humanist political arrangement wherein all citizens live by a Social Contract. We all agree to to live together in harmony, attempting to accommodate the wishes and means of one another without prejudice, as far as is politically possible. We negotiate accommodation. We do NOT impose our religious values upon others!
12:14 PM on 10/15/2012
Some people are too lazy to explore the idea of God by themselves. They dodge behind what other people say and make snide comments trying to look smart. My recommendation is: explore and create your own God and then criticise if you must.
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Don McLeod
05:45 PM on 10/14/2012
Martin Luther observed those that reasoned lost any need for God. His solution was to crush reason for God's sake. We now know we have two levels of thinking. System 1 thinking is reactionary. System 2 is reasoned. Read the book Thinking, Fast and Slow. A system 2 thinker would be more likely to turn chance into luck. Harper's faith based laws and policies lack reason. They are unreasonable. They will fail big time because he believes.
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Douglas Sinclair
sufferin' succotash!
11:35 PM on 10/14/2012
Again? Copy and paste?
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Don McLeod
01:05 PM on 10/16/2012
No not copy and paste.  But reusing in different ways.  I learned about repeating a message many ways about 30 years ago.  I know Harper uses it to create perceptions in Canadians minds that are wrong to win elections.  Perception is reality.  Harper is a liar for God's sake.  Martin Luther gave him ideas.  Destroy reason and lie for God.  I don't need to lie.  
02:49 PM on 10/15/2012
Exactly right. I can't wait 'till the next election to see the look on Harper's face when his little theocracy falls apart.
04:59 PM on 10/14/2012
the very basis of the arguement in this article is wrong. It is saying that religion and politics not only mix, but are inseparable. This is blatantly false. It is the job of every politician to put aside personal beliefs and govern for the good of the country, not just the good of evangelicals. The question the moderator asked in the Biden-Ryan debate was not only stupid, but shouldn't even be mentioned in a discussion about politics. The separation of church and state are fundemental to liberal democracy. If you disagree with abortion, don't get one. If you don't like gay marriage don't get gay married.
11:33 PM on 10/14/2012
What one believes is in the best interest of the country will inevitably be influenced by one's personal beliefs...
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Heather Blackett
09:16 AM on 10/15/2012
I agree with your principle of the duty of politicians to represent all, rather than only those who share their personal beliefs. However, I disagree with you in regards to the question asked in the American V.P. debate about the cadidates' catholicism and it's impact on their abortion policy.

I thought this was the most important question asked, as a female and an atheist. Both candidates spoke about their personal beliefs, but it was only Biden who said he would never want to push his own religious ethics on others via policy: that is the very essence of what you are prescribing for representatives, to govern with the utmost attenetion to one's ethics, while maintaining equal respect for the beliefs of others.

That is the essence of secularism. It isn't a form of moral relativism, because in the real world our politicians can rarely agree to disagree- they must reach imperfect consensus in the space where different interests and worldviews collide. It is more a simple commitment to mutual respect and rational compromise as a starting point for debate.
But of course, that is my own biased opinion, based on my own personal ethics.
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Torontosaurous
11:52 PM on 10/13/2012
I just can't seem to trust anyone that has only one book.
11:31 PM on 10/14/2012
Only one book? I have yet to meet a Christian who has only one book... at minimum you have a Bible and a devotional :D
02:07 AM on 10/15/2012
Considering the premise to which you answered, your response is imbued with minimalism. What about the rest of the religious branches?
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canobserv
09:11 AM on 10/13/2012
Harper is taking all his "cues" from multi-national corporations....they seem to be his "gawd" now.......he is like no Christian I have ever met
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canobserv
09:09 AM on 10/13/2012
...."Even at the far-left end of the spectrum, where anti-religious, hippie atheists are most likely to find themselves, there's Elizabeth May, who one day aspires to be a minister."

May is a practicing Anglican and actually studied theology in order to become ordained.......HELLO!!
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Skepticat
Supporting skeptical felines everywhere
08:43 AM on 10/13/2012
The issue is not whether people believe in something or not but the extent they are willing to inflict an unshared belief on others - the amount of deception they are willing to imply to achieve their goal and the amount of diversionary conflict it creates at the expense of resolving other more pressing problems. In post industrial pluralistic societies, attempts to impose dogma driven policies and create wedge issues for political exploitation need to be actively resisted lest one ends up with theocratic meddling - or ideologically induced paralysis of rational decision making. Personally I don't really care what others believe on their own time, or on their own dime. Just don't ever try to impose it on we who believe in freedom from religion.
08:55 PM on 10/12/2012
Biden's response to the question of how he manages his personal beliefs with a woman's rights (aka the abortion question) was exactly how Canada's politicians need to manage their religious beliefs. Forcing anyone else to believe as their political representative is just plain wrong. Easy, stay out of someone else's uterus!
11:35 PM on 10/14/2012
So say there is an individual who doesn't believe that murder is wrong. Should he be exempt from murder charges because to prosecute him would force someone else beliefs on him?
02:09 AM on 10/15/2012
For murder to be compared to abortion starts with the premise that you consider murder as an abortion. That is subjective, hence you've hit an instant paradigm with your question.
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Heather Blackett
09:41 AM on 10/15/2012
of course not.
No one gets to "opt out" of laws we reach through legal consensus, that's sort of what a secular democracy is about.
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Gnomish
ego doctus ignarus
07:50 PM on 10/12/2012
Politics are based on a leader you can replace as needed ....no sky fairies allowed!
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JJJSchmidt
03:29 PM on 10/12/2012
I don't recall the Progressive Conservatives overdosing on religion the way Harper's bunch of Neanderthals do. Politics is best served religion free and the parties that can keep their holier than thou crap under wraps best have a better chance of getting my vote.