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Why Is Ontario Funding Catholic Schools?

Posted: 12/08/11 08:53 AM ET

There is absolutely nothing to like about the Ontario government's funding of Catholic schools. Not one thing. It is, quite frankly, a stupid and wholly unfair policy, a relic so far out of touch with the present day the fact that it has lasted this long is preposterous.

In the latest example of why this farcical legislation must be changed, Catholic school boards are condemning the McGuinty government's anti-bullying bill because it would allow for the founding of "gay clubs" at publicly funded school boards. The Liberals introduced the legislation last week, in part as a response to the suicide of an Ottawa student who was gay.

The Catholic School Board and its supporters argue that the anti-bullying bill infringes on their freedom of religion. That is, if Catholics want to keep gay students closeted at school then they should be free to do so without government intervention. It's total hypocrisy -- using the Charter, designed specifically to afford everyone equal rights, to effectively deny young Canadians the freedom to be who they want to be. And in the context of gay students, who are particularly exposed to bullying, it's downright cruel.

According to the Evangelical Association, the anti-bullying legislation "violates the common law of separation of church and state." Fine then. If separation is what they want, so be it. Let's stop government funds from supporting Catholic schools -- then we'll have a solid boundary between church and state.

McGuinty's anti-bullying legislation is more than sensible, it's vital. While bullying is unavoidable to a certain extent (kids will be kids and so forth), keeping it to a limit in our schools is of paramount importance. If they are to gain any knowledge at all, kids need to feel safe at school, and the best way for kids to feel safe is to be a part of a group of like-minded peers. Bullies prey on the weak -- student groups, which offer strength in numbers, are the bully's kryptonite.

Of course, Catholic schools are free to be wrong on this issue, just as soon as they stop taking money from the government. But as long as Ontarians -- among them many gay people, and even more people who don't think it's right that kids are being tormented for their sexuality by their peers -- are footing the bill, Catholic school boards must allow gay students to organize against bullying.

At its core, funding for Catholic schools is unfair. The policy favours one religious brand at the expense of all others, a practice that is rightly considered unacceptable in just about every other aspect of public policy. And since funding all religious schools isn't an appealing option -- both because of cost and because doing so would inevitably lead to a massive increase in archaic and crazy demands based on various religious grounds -- the best course of action is to strip funding from Catholic schools. At least that way the rest of us won't be left paying for a willfully blind educational system out of touch with the values of the majority of Ontarians.

 

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There is absolutely nothing to like about the Ontario government's funding of Catholic schools. Not one thing. It is, quite frankly, a stupid and wholly unfair policy, a relic so far out of touch with...
There is absolutely nothing to like about the Ontario government's funding of Catholic schools. Not one thing. It is, quite frankly, a stupid and wholly unfair policy, a relic so far out of touch with...
 
 
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Maria Korovessis Sewell
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12:14 AM on 12/10/2011
Last spring, a Catholic high school in my community organized a week's worth of activities to promote "tolerance" toward the gay community. These activities included entertainment, speakers, etc. Upon review of of the week's lineup, the comedy act was canceled on account of the comedian being gay. Not making it up, People.
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ringo3khan
01:42 PM on 12/09/2011
I'll make you an interesting trade proposal: if "Of course, Catholic schools are free to be wrong on this issue, just as soon as they stop taking money from the government." then if they stop taking money from your stinkin' gov't, how about your gov't quits taking money from Catholics who send their kids to Catholic school on their own dime! Why should Catholics have to pay to support your atheist public school system if you don't want your gov't spending money on non-atheist schools?
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Maria Korovessis Sewell
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12:21 AM on 12/10/2011
What are you even talking about? It's not like public schools teach Atheist Math, Atheist Physics, etc. Past the academics, it's YOUR responsibility as a parent to teach your kids Catechism (or whatever). I never expected the schools to pick up my slack as my children were growing up - why should you?
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SeeTheFnords
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11:26 AM on 12/11/2011
Hmmm, I know that every year I fill in a form that tells the government whether I support the public or separate school board, and instructs them to submit my tax dollars accordingly.

Of course, not having children, why should I have to support either school system, since I don't use it?
10:48 AM on 12/12/2011
So you know, Ontario citizens DO NOT (any more) get to choose which school board their tax dollars support. All school funding comes from general revenue now.

When you choose "public" or "separate" on your tax form or wherever, you are simply choosing whether you will vote for a public or separate school trustee.
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Skepticat
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07:04 AM on 12/09/2011
Constitutions are produced by politicians influenced by important factions of the day - and back in 1867 the Catholics were a force likely to vote for the more amenable other guy if concerns weren't met. Even in the 1982 "repatriotation" the delicate matter of funding Catholic schools in Ontario was quietly exempted from charter of rights issues to avoid a big to do from catholic lobbying groups.
I don't think any religious based schools should get any public funding at all.
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SeeTheFnords
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11:28 AM on 12/11/2011
They had to tiptoe around the topic back in 1982, because back then, if students wanted to attend Grade 13, they had to go to a public school. Maintaining the status quo was the safest thing at the time.
07:53 PM on 12/08/2011
ontario, canada, right? not U.S. business.
07:39 PM on 12/08/2011
Although I know there are provisions for this funding in our 1867 constitution act, I have to say the fact that these schools refuse to abide by the constitution (ie opting out of fair hiring practices etc.) should mean that thier funding should be solely a private matter. If you are going to be a public institution, ie accept public funding, then you are bound by the rules that all other government institutions must follow. This is akin to funding a catholics only police force. Why should my tax dollars be used to fund one religion to the exculsion of others, so if the funding is not universally available it should not be available period. Autbaut, it is about seperation of church and state, sadly our constitution has made this exception, and that is in violation it clearly designates funding to be supplied to a religious organization that flaunts its violations of the laws of the land. As much as I think an ammendment removing this egregious kowtowing to a religious group that by definition is predujiced and instilling discriminatory and non canadian values in our youth is not a likely occurance, it is a conversation that needs to be had.
01:51 AM on 12/09/2011
Donnerskinde,

Let me be clear, I don't think we should be funding Catholic schools either. I wrote what I wrote to point out that this article failed to mention possibly the most important aspect of the debate. I also did not like how this article stated that catholic school funding was "policy" that the Ontario gov't was responsible for (it's not), and that it could be abolished by Ontario, alone, on a whim (which it can't).

My point is that the author turned this into an impassioned debate about the morality of the funding which is pointless without knowing why the situation exists as it is. I'm arguing against ignorance, not against having the debate.
04:09 PM on 12/08/2011
This article is seemingly written without the knowledge that the funding of catholic schools is built into the Constitution of Canada. It is not a "policy" made by the Ontario government that can be "legislated" away, it would require a constitutional amendment to get rid of the funding. So, it's not really some "preposterous" mystery that funding exists, the Ontario government has it's hand's tied unless it and every other province, and the federal government could agree to abolish the funding. As well, the Constitutional amendment of 1982 specifically says that religious funding for Catholic schools is exempt from the portions of the Charter of Rights that would normally negate either funding for the schools, or require the gov't to fund all religious schools.

These facts undermine the entire point of this article, the debate over catholic school funding isn't about the separation of church or state or equality of religions and the implications that would have. This is pure and simple a constitutional matter, and impassioned emotions about fairness or what's right isn't going to change the constitutional reality.
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montezaro
03:45 PM on 12/08/2011
What is next - ethnic separation?
03:32 PM on 12/08/2011
Yoni : You need to study history and you will have your desired answered.
12:21 PM on 12/08/2011
I'm happy to educate all the children in a society. I am not happy to teach them to follow the bigotry of their respective religions. Get religion out of school, and out of school boards. Teach hatred of others on your own dime.
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Glass Cannon
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12:13 PM on 12/08/2011
Taking education away from anyone is a bad move, especially based on religion. In fact, rather than taking funds away from Catholic schools, the province should divide the pie further to provide funding for schools (and boards) of various denominations. The more choice that people have the better, and you take away the power of exclusivity from anyone who wants to maintain outmoded social policy, because access to the kind of education one wants is a cornerstone of a progressive society.

Attitudes will change, and more education guarantees it.
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07:34 AM on 12/09/2011
NOPE - religious based education and progressive societies generally go together like peanut butter and gravel. The last thing modern pluralistic societies need is public funding of a plethora of religious dogmas or the promotion of even more segregation from the rest of society - or replacement of thought and scientific methodology by unquestioning faith. Public schools despite faults do present alternatives to religious myopia that unfortunately may never be heard in a totally faith based environment - and expose the kids to others outside the faith they were born into. Unfortunately the religious education the dogmatic want to impose on their kids often promotes "outmoded social policy" such as gay bashing, subservience of women, and contempt for rather than acceptance of outsiders.
Those who prefer creationism or want to send their kids to a madrassa to prepare for the rigors of the 14th century can still do so - providing they pay for it.
09:38 AM on 12/09/2011
No, no, no, a thousand times no. No public funding for any religious schools. Let them teach their bigotry on their own dime.
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12:12 PM on 12/08/2011
Despite the fact that the article addresses this from a recent affair, the issue is bigger than a certain school board being obstinate with regards to moving into this century. Government funding should only fund public schools that teach the educational requirements for someone to operate in society. Reading, writing, math, science, history, geography.

No government paying for special black schools, or catholic schools or french immersion schools or muslim schools or any special interest school.
08:10 PM on 12/08/2011
French immersion, really? one of the official languages of this country. What about other subjects like P.E. and if we are talking about functioning in society, then cooking, trades and etc. why are you limiting it to 6. For that matter although I agree with geography being important I see many function in society without a basic knowledge of this subject. Please consider you comment before spouting off.
11:57 AM on 12/09/2011
I see many people unable to function because of a lack of knowledge of geography. Instead they depend solely on their GPS's, don't understand global warming and say that it doesn't exist. Which is patently untrue. Besides that, I agree with your comments.
10:44 AM on 12/08/2011
For years I have been angered by the fact that young teachers, raised in Catholic homes have had a far better chance of getting a teaching position than non Catholic teachers. Folks in the public board cannot discriminate; the Catholic boards have had "a right" to do so since Confederation. That's a lot of years of discrimination that should have at least stopped when Catholic boards started building high schools in Ontario at public expense. It did not. Lots of Catholic teachers teach in public boards, virtually none in Catholic schools. When is this going to stop?
10:27 AM on 12/08/2011
I agree. He who pays the piper, gets to call the tune.
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montezaro
09:32 AM on 12/08/2011
Yoni,thanks for your article! Funding Catholic schools is discriminatory! I am simply not willing to give my tax money for it. Or allow every religion group to have their own schools (and parents in their tax return explicitly ask for it), or don't allow that kind of separation.
Education and religion should be separated. I don't think that there is English spelling according to Buddhists, Catholic chemistry or Mormon algebra. Or, I am missing something?