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Think Twice Before Commenting on this Blog

Posted: 04/20/2012 1:47 am

There are two kinds of people who will read this column: The first will read it and move on, the second will read it and then comment on it. I'd like to address the latter group directly.

There are a number of you who insult and sideswipe, all the while hiding behind less-clever-than-you-think pseudonyms. And for what? To prove your intellectual superiority? I've got news for you: You're not impressing anyone outside your little circle of cranks -- which, by the way, does not include the vast majority of normal human beings.

It's not as though you've stumbled upon some original protest concept in your unrelenting naggery -- you're nothing more than the modern incarnation of the cantankerous letter writer. In the olden days, people also used to write crazy treatises on why writer X was boring, idiotic, uninformed and a government pawn of a writer to letters' editors at newspapers and magazines. You want to know where those bits of crazy-man commentary went? Straight into the garbage can, or if they were "really good," pinned to the newsroom bulletin board, so everyone could have a laugh.

What and who am I talking about? Let's take a look at some sample comments that came in response to my column last week about the CBC, paying particular attention to the various genres of idiot commentary: (all comments are sic'd ... obviously)

1. The intelligent comment bookmarked by gratuitous insult, courtesy of Peter Keleghan: "The CBC public financing is almost the lowest in the world, and has now got lower. Canadian television has produced as much or perhaps even more critical and financially viable hits than almost any country when you consider per capita investment and our industry size. Without his proper research on our industry I suggest the Canadian content we really don't need is Yoni Goldstein."

2. The non-sequitur comment, courtesy of "heywriterboy": "'Canadian' HuffPo, time to stop your revisionist B.S. You could, and should, DREAM of pageviews that approach the audience of homegrown tv. Goldstein reveals nothing other than bitterness, and joins a fine tradition of Canadian "hating" that has attempted to fling calumnies at those who make music, literature, or ar--a cultural attitude best glimpsed in the rearview mirror."

3. The crazy conspiracy theory comment, courtesy of "pinkibus": "The real crime of the CBC is telling the truth which is something Harperites won't tolerate and bring informative programming to the public."

4. The gratuitous insult, sans intelligent commentary comment, courtesy of Kristopher Leang: "yoni. writing poorly written stupid articles as usual. how did he even get a job?"

Impressive stuff.

But here's the thing: perversely, you commenters are the new power brokers in journalism -- your comments equal page views and Facebook shares and retweets, which equal an expanded audience. And in the online age, this matters more than the quality of the writing itself. Writers need you, and as the print industry continues to bleed, we're going to need you more and more.

At this point, a clarification is in order: I am not speaking here about the many intelligent commenters who offer valid counterpoints and contribute pertinent information or anecdotes to conversations begun by writers. No argument is bulletproof, and writers don't mind dissension -- indeed, many relish it.

Moreover, writers often leave out bits of information, either because there's no space or because they didn't think of it. The discerning commenter elevates the writer in a way that a print letter writer never could, by extending and expanding the conversation. Please, smart commenters, keep commenting.

Regretfully, most of the time commenters of this species are overpowered in sheer volume by their more crabby cousins, the Internet's aptly named trolls. It's an appropriate monicker: trolls are ugly and cartoonish, and nobody takes them seriously.

The postmodern philosopher Roland Barthes famously predicted the death of the author and the empowerment of the reader, but I don't think even he would have envisioned it happening quite like this. His theory relied, at least in theory, on smart, informed readers -- power would sway from one informed but small group to a larger, but just as informed, one. This is not what has happened in online comment forums.

Quite the opposite, in fact. The dominion has been co-opted by an army of bleating sociopaths just waiting at their laptops for the next thing that will piss them off to pop up onscreen. There is no nuance and certainly no attempt to engage. Oftentimes, there doesn't even seem to be an attempt to offer a coherent argument.

You know the old saying, "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"? That's not what I am proposing. Feel free, commenters, to be mean and vindictive -- what's important is that you be smart (proper prose wouldn't hurt, either).

The internet is a boon for writers and readers equally -- there is more to read than ever before and more places to write, too. Commenters are the life-blood of the endeavour, the reason this whole thing works so well. Think about how much better it could be if you started acting as important as you actually are.

 

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waldopepper
I'd tell you all about me if you were my friend.
07:04 AM on 04/23/2012
Stanhope beat you to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RycwYRcm3Lc
10:27 PM on 04/22/2012
My principal objection to your piece is that it was fact-free. You got basic tenets of Cdn broadcasting wrong. I have a grounding in the issue, having taught university level courses in media for ten years. I've been interviewed by Cdn Press, Toronto Star, Calgary Herald, Globe and Mail, Winnipeg Free Press, Carrt.ca, Variety, CTV, CBC Newsworld, & CBC Radio. I represent the WGC, and have worked for all the broadcasters, CBC, CTV, TVO, Rogers, and Global. I've written OpEds for The Star on several occasions.

I'm a TV writer. Which means I get notes. I am judged at every stage. And what I have learned is that you must respect the bump. The majority of your audience read your last article and found it to be logically and factually inconsistent. Be a man. Own that and reexamine what you've said. I said what I thought for five years on a blog - heywriterboy.blogspot.com. I paid the price for candid analysis and opinion. I lost jobs, and I kept going because I wrote what I thought was right. What you write directly affects what I do, and I demand you hold yourself to an equal standard. I challenge you to tell me how that is unfair. I bear you no ill will. I would gladly buy you a coffee sometime and argue in person why I think your opinions are counter factual. Do you have the courage to step up? Ball's in your court.
09:03 AM on 04/22/2012
ah.
There's a third kind; those of us who don't read Yawni at all (well beyond the first para).
11:45 PM on 04/21/2012
i totally agree with this article. there are many rushed rude posts. i thought about this twice. i looked at other article by this author. i don't like all his opinions, maryjane laws for one, nonsense about cdn tv - i want the cbc to live for its journalism i don't care if it has tv or not. though look at what cancon did for the music industry. for sure posting rude or not well thought out comments are not getting us anywhere and doing so anonymously carries little weight to one's posts.
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
07:12 PM on 04/21/2012
Yoni blog- disagreeing posts need not apply.

I'm a pretty good poster, when my snark is disagreeable it's usally for a reason. Mostly I'm posted. never on Yonis logs.
So frankly, screw him if he can't take critisism.
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logicanada
Blogger, radio co-host, writer, editor, voice-over
05:31 PM on 04/21/2012
I agree with sample comment 2 and 4.
05:18 PM on 04/21/2012
Ah, yes, it's much better to write an opinion column without being bothered by feedback from your readers. Online comments turn opinion columnists into Hyde Park orators, open to heckling from whomever walks by. That's a good thing, in my book. They've had the arrogance of the pulpit for too long.
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Thalin Lea
04:52 PM on 04/21/2012
they don't know the true meaning of freedom of expression..
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
04:36 PM on 04/21/2012
Anonymity.
More crutch than cloak.
04:08 PM on 04/21/2012
While I agree that using pseudonyms is a little like throwing a rock and running away before it hits anyone, Mr. Goldstein's dig at the TV industry not only hurt the thousands who work within it but countless others who came before them. His follow up blog shows that the responses became more personal than he would like, but the good news is that Canadians care about our culture and the CBC and Mr. Goldstein stirred up some valuable hot discussion. This, to me, is exciting stuff not to be cowered from but rather engaged with. So, maybe I'll write some blog like: "Americans always have better athletes than us because they can afford to pay for great training. So how about for the next Olympic opening ceremonies, we just forget about the Canadian flag and team and just join up with the US team? We would be allowed to wear a little Canadian flag pin on our lapels though just to show us as a sub-group." That should stir up some stuff huh? Hey, wait, maybe Yoni was just kidding in his original blog to get us going?! Maybe eh?
03:49 PM on 04/21/2012
I am amazed by the number of people who believe it is reasonable to attack the author, not the idea. The purpose of comments should never be to facilitate attacks on someone's reputation, intelligence, views etc, but instead to allow for discussion of the topics raised in that piece.

Attacking individuals who seek to contribute ideas for debate among others only serves to silence those voices from the discussion. If a blogger has to consider what personal vitriol and attacks they might face for writing on a topic before doing so, it becomes a form of censorship.

People have reputations and typically need those to gain or maintain employment. The cavalier attitude in which real people are attacked by phantom accounts is troubling. Perhaps if we all used our real names folks would treat each other like real people.

I do agree with Yoni on the spirit of the issue he is trying to address, although I'm not sure some of the adjectives and commentary that make it such an interesting read, necessarily help resolve the issue he is raising.
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logicanada
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05:33 PM on 04/21/2012
I believed the author is being attacked FOR his ideas.
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ginadeoliveira2008
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03:44 PM on 04/21/2012
Even with moderators comments pages can be a pain... or a joy. You'll have to learn to overlook it, all the more so when you are a blogger.
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Larry Mutter
03:21 PM on 04/21/2012
Yonis comments on nuance,engagement and coherent argument are well founded.The gap between those who would present a reasonable argument and those who shoot from the emotional hip, a condition we are all guilty from time to time, depicts at best ones sense of reasonableness and at worst a chance to snipe from long range.Though one must admit that blogging in the public sphere is like sparring in the ring,occasionally there will be bruises.
12:15 PM on 04/21/2012
Comments 1, 3 and 4 were simply accurate.

If you can't handle the heat, grow a thicker skin or get out of the kitchen.
11:24 AM on 04/21/2012
I agree that sometimes commenters are a little over the top, but unfortunately you are going to have to learn to handle it. It's a tough world out there!